Discovery Renewed for Season 5

[SolarisOne]

My response is a resounding meh.

I mean, it's a good thing it's still on, since it's the wellspring from which we've gotten this new golden age of Trek, but I don't care about DSC itself anymore.

 

[Deks]

I think it's kind of sad that characters encouraging each other could ever be seen as a bad thing.

When Disco characters do so, it seems so out of place and the wrong thing to do at the time.
I think its more along the lines the timing for encouragement is wrong.

Neelson for example came out of the blue to encourage the new guy who replaced Bryce while they were inside the barrier... that seemed relatively unwarranted because the guy was already with Disco before and in tough situations, but its NOW that suddenly Neelson felt the need to tell him 'wer're gonna get through it'?
It just seemed unnecessarily tacked on.
If the guy had more screen time and was a new character who was generally timid and vissibly scared, then I could see it as justifiable... in that scene, it just came out of nowhere and seemed unnecessary.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

When Disco characters do so, it seems so out of place...(snip)

So it's alright when other shows do it. Just not Discovery. Right.

 

[jackoverfull]

It's only a double standard because you completely misrepresent what the complaint is. It's not that it's wrong to show any encouragement to your fellow crewmembers ever, it's that Discovery is bogged down with way too many of these crew pep talks, sometimes in the middle of an immediate crisis, and taking up way too much screentime that could be devoted to advancing the storyline. Which is the whole point, that it's more filler designed to stretch the runtime to fill out thirteen episodes with maybe six or seven episodes of actual story.

Exactly. They are usually out of place and feel extremely forced to me.

So it's alright when other shows do it. Just not Discovery. Right.

no, it’s all right if you write something as part of a scene, fitting finally and logically with what’s going on. It isn’t when it just feels inserted awkwardly in a place it has nothing to do with, with characters happily chatting in the middle of a crisis and the space battle/anomaly/whatever pausing just enough to let people go their chatty way.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Exactly. They are usually out of place and feel extremely forced to me.
no, it’s all right if you write something as part of a scene, fitting finally and logically with what’s going on. It isn’t when it just feels inserted awkwardly in a place it has nothing to do with, with characters happily chatting in the middle of a crisis and the space battle/anomaly/whatever pausing just enough to let people go their chatty way.

I think it’s just something I have to agree to disagree on. I see no issue with it, but if others do, then they do I guess.

 

[fireproof78]

I think it’s just something I have to agree to disagree on. I see no issue with it, but if others do, then they do I guess.

Indeed. At this point I think it comes down to investment. If you're invested in the Discovery character's it's probably easier. If not, it probably stands out as unnatural because Star Trek isn't supposed to be that way. This season, despite having the most Trek plot ever, has demonstrated that investment is not about the characters.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Indeed. At this point I think it comes down to investment. If you're invested in the Discovery character's it's probably easier. If not, it probably stands out as unnatural because Star Trek isn't supposed to be that way. This season, despite having the most Trek plot ever, has demonstrated that investment is not about the characters.

I don't even know if it's that. I'll just mark it as one of those things I don't understand. In fairness there are plenty of those both in and outside of Star Trek fandom.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't even know if it's that. I'll just mark it as one of those things I don't understand. In fairness there are plenty of those both in and outside of Star Trek fandom.

True enough.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Indeed. At this point I think it comes down to investment. If you're invested in the Discovery character's it's probably easier. If not, it probably stands out as unnatural because Star Trek isn't supposed to be that way. This season, despite having the most Trek plot ever, has demonstrated that investment is not about the characters.

For me Star Trek has always been about the characters.

 

[fireproof78]

For me Star Trek has always been about the characters.

Same here. But that appears to be the exception nowadays.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Same here. But that appears to be the exception nowadays.

Maybe here, this site isn't representative of the fandom as a whole.

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe here, this site isn't representative of the fandom as a whole.

True enough. And, like I said, characters are always first for me. Burnham is my favorite by far.

 

[Quinton]

Yeah, space is an awesome setting but I wouldn't give a damn what kind of nacelles a starship used if my life depended on it, personally. Do they look cool? Neat bonus, but I'm here for the characters as well.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I'm here for the characters, the stories, the design work, the world building, the whole package!

It took a lot of hours of Star Trek before I formed any opinions on starship nacelles, but Trek's talented designers slowly wore me down. They put in so much thought and effort making things look right that now I can't help but notice when they look wrong.

That said, it's not Discovery's nacelles I've had a problem with this season, it's the characters and dialogue!

 

[SJGardner]

Seriously, if I had to choose between getting detailed desk plans of Discovery or scenes of Detmer and Owo being cute together, I would always go for the latter in a heartbeat.

Granted, I'm the type that can waste a whole afternoon reading fluff fan fiction and nothing else.

 

[fireproof78]

Seen one nacelles I've seen 'em all.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Seriously, if I had to choose between getting detailed desk plans of Discovery or scenes of Detmer and Owo being cute together, I would always go for the latter in a heartbeat.

More of both please.

 

[fireproof78]

Seriously, if I had to choose between getting detailed desk plans of Discovery or scenes of Detmer and Owo being cute together, I would always go for the latter in a heartbeat.

Granted, I'm the type that can waste a whole afternoon reading fluff fan fiction and nothing else.

If that's the choice, then yeah Detmer and Owo. Though, I am that stick in the mud who prefers zero romances in my Trek. (Yes, yes, Trek did it all the time, I know. It was annoying then, and it is annoying now).

 

[JWPlatt]

Just noticed this thread by the intriguing title. What happened to the reshoots at the end of Season 3 to get rid of anything referring forward to any hint of a next season? What happened to no one wanted to pay for STD and it would be cancelled? What happened to Season 4 being, well if you insist, the last and final gasp? (see above). What happened?

By the way, just getting around to the Season 3 DVDs, I'd really, really, like for Sonequa to be able to deliver Burnham's lines in anything other than that stupid whisper episode after episode. "I'd give real money if she'd talk."

 

[jackoverfull]

That said, it's not Discovery's nacelles I've had a problem with this season, it's the characters and dialogue!

Precisely. And with the story (or lack of thereof).

Just noticed this thread by the intriguing title. What happened to the reshoots at the end of Season 3 to get rid of anything referring forward to any hint of a next season? What happened to no one wanted to pay for STD and it would be cancelled? What happened to Season 4 being, well if you insist, the last and final gasp? (see above). What happened?

don't worry, they still are going to fire Kurtzman today.

By the way, just getting around to the Season 3 DVDs, I'd really, really, like for Sonequa to be able to deliver Burnham's lines in anything other than that stupid whisper episode after episode. "I'd give real money if she'd talk."

yes, the whispering and the crying were really excessive in season 3. They have been toned down a lot in 4.