I heard "it's going to work" through out the 3 films I just watched. It's the same principle. People in crisis situations giving encouragement. In one situation it's considered unprofessional and the other it's the greatest franchise ever.
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Please, anything to stop the charts and graphs!
Sorry, Daniel. I'm filling in for you-know-who today.
Foxes are social animals. They're known to linger near houses. Houses containing televisions. If the number of foxes near houses has dropped so drastically over the course of this season in Toronto, which it would be reasonable to assume is the strongest pro-Discovery location given the number of people working on the show and their relatives, then it stands to reason of course that the number of foxes has dropped even worse in other parts of the continent, let alone other Paramount+ markets internationally.
(EDIT: I'm so mad about that typo I made, AUGH.)
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To me a 2 second "It's going to work" in a 2 hour feature does not equate to the constant pep talks in a 42 minute Discovery episode.
The attitude is exactly the same! These are professionals who shouldn't need encouragement according to some here. So why is it more acceptable? Double standard I say.
The attitude is completely different, and a lot of the MCU superheroes aren't professionals. Spider-Man's a high school student, Hulk is a scientist that turns into a rage monster, Iron Man is a rich playboy, Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are war orphans who were experimented on by Hydra, Doctor Strange is a surgeon...they don't exactly have years of identical training.
Agree to disagree, given I see Captain America, Black Widow, Hawkeye and other professionals doing the exact same behavior.
Everything in Captain America: Civil War was centered on the characters’ relationships and their feelings about one another.
Discovery isn’t the only emotional action property around by a longshot.
Discovery isn’t the only emotional action property around by a longshot.
This thread has peakedSorry, Daniel. I'm filling in for you-know-who today.
Foxes are social animals. They're known to linger near houses. Houses containing televisions. If the number of foxes near houses has dropped so drastically over the course of this season in Toronto, which it would be reasonable to assume is the strongest pro-Discovery location given the number of people working on the show and their relatives, then it stands to reason of course that the number of foxes has dropped even worse in other parts of the continent, let alone other Paramount+ markets internationally.
(EDIT: I'm so mad about that typo I made, AUGH.)
Great observation! I think you're right. I hope that means our culture is growing up a bit! Humans - even professionals - aren't robots. IME, good leaders understand that and encourage and support rather than order and bully.
*I* would miss it!
You're my favorite today!
I think it's kind of sad that characters encouraging each other could ever be seen as a bad thing.
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Yeah, it's weird that Discovery's pulled this off and it also feels weird complaining about it. This shouldn't be a thing anyone should ever have to complain about!
Personally I'm having trouble nailing down what's bothering me, so all my complaints are incomplete, they're not the full story. It's not that characters encouraging each other is is bad, or that the series taking their mental health seriously is bad, it's that the scenes in which this happens aren't working for me. And there ain't much else going on in those scenes to blame.
Personally I'm having trouble nailing down what's bothering me, so all my complaints are incomplete, they're not the full story. It's not that characters encouraging each other is is bad, or that the series taking their mental health seriously is bad, it's that the scenes in which this happens aren't working for me. And there ain't much else going on in those scenes to blame.
I blame the mid-season break. The decrease was steady up until then. Since the return, there's been a far more drastic decrease. Clearly a month and a half of no Disco on TV wasn't enough to hold the interest of the foxes. As such, that's probably why the fox interest in NCIS, SEAL Team or Mayor of Kingstown is so high these days.Sorry, Daniel. I'm filling in for you-know-who today.
Foxes are social animals. They're known to linger near houses. Houses containing televisions. If the number of foxes near houses has dropped so drastically over the course of this season in Toronto, which it would be reasonable to assume is the strongest pro-Discovery location given the number of people working on the show and their relatives, then it stands to reason of course that the number of foxes has dropped even worse in other parts of the continent, let alone other Paramount+ markets internationally.
(EDIT: I'm so mad about that typo I made, AUGH.)
Basic facts, really.
Once again, people only take the red and grey foxes into account. What happened to the arctic foxes who have been consistently producing very generous numbers to CBS due to the increased hours of watching TV during the long northern winter nights? Also, why are fennec and corsac foxes omitted when they predominantly live in rural North African and Central Asian markets where they have to congregate in large numbers around the handful of available TV sets?
In fairness, a few scenes in an episode doesn’t equate to ‘constant’ either.
Those scenes are worse and are all pew-pew action, which Star Trek never was.*
I think it comes down to connection with the characters and 3expectations of Starfleet. There are a lot of assumptions about what makes a good Starfleet officer and I think that informs the response and magnifies the negative response.
*note: this is a joke.
It's only a double standard because you completely misrepresent what the complaint is. It's not that it's wrong to show any encouragement to your fellow crewmembers ever, it's that Discovery is bogged down with way too many of these crew pep talks, sometimes in the middle of an immediate crisis, and taking up way too much screentime that could be devoted to advancing the storyline. Which is the whole point, that it's more filler designed to stretch the runtime to fill out thirteen episodes with maybe six or seven episodes of actual story.
It's like watching the movie Rudy but someone put the sappy Rudy pep talks on steroids and turned the vamp*lifier up to eleven to the point they ruin the film.
* As in stalling for time.
The MCU does have scenes of encouragement, that's true, but they're used sparingly and at the right moments so they don't wear out their welcome. The scene you cited lasted what, ten seconds out of the whole movie, and was significant and impactful because here we have Captain America, the most upbeat, unshakeable, encouraging figure in the MCU and he is flat-out broken and desperate by their weight of events since the Snap. That's an effective use of it.
It's not effective in Disco because we get several of these scenes every episode. They've cried wolf with it, so now people don't take it seriously any more and groan and say "not again."
I can recall 5 such scenes, as well as the constant encouragement that I find in Discovery.
Call me whatever. I find it the same.
Call me whatever? I didn't call you anything the first time and had no intention of calling you anything the second, so maybe don't go looking for trouble where it's not at. It's just a conversation.
Not looking for trouble. Perhaps I should have said "call it whatever" since I don't have a good descriptor at the ready.
Just that I recently watched Infinity War and Endgame, and listened to the same positive encouragement that I find with Discovery.
It feels the same to me.
No worries.
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