Three episodes before the season 4 final, Star Trek Discovery disappeared from the Paramount Plus Top 10 TV shows chart.
All right, you've convinced me. I'll make the call. I'm personally ending the series.
Discovery Renewed for Season 5
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All right, you've convinced me. I'll make the call. I'm personally ending the series.
Yeah, over my somewhat aged and no-where-near-decrepit body you will!
(aged like a fine whine I am)
What I'd like to see:
The UFP going extragalactic (maybe also using its knowledge/technology to solve the underlying radiation issue in Andromeda galaxy, and colonize dwarf galaxies closest to the Milky Way) and becoming Type III civilization on Kardashev scale (with inroads being made to become Type IV)... and actually see proper advancement (stop making ridiculously invalid excuses that faster than Warp technologies or alternatives to dilithium and m/AM are 'not viable' and make proper use of TransWarp Beaming).
However, with Disco writers 'raising the stakes'... they'll probably go with a 'universe ending' threat this time around with a LOT of heart to heart, crying, and 0 counsellors who actually do their jobs in sight rasied by another level (or ten).
Definitely not going to happen anytime soon.
But you have to concede they toned down the crying a lot in season three.
But you have to concede they toned down the crying a lot in season three.
So, I recently watched Infinity War/Endgame for the first time. And it brought to mind a lot of the complaints I see around Discovery about the crew, always encouraging each other, showing support, etc. And I had to laugh because that's a huge part of the Marvel films. You have the constant reassurance this going to work, little quips and asides during critical moments of encouragement, and overall providing emotional support.
And I realized that it isn't that Trek is doing something wrong; they are doing exactly where culture is at right now. We n o longer live in a world of TNG, where yelling at a subordinate is considered good leadership. We live in a culture which requires emotional reassurance and support, and that is reflected in the art being made.
So, no, I don't see the crying stopping or the counseling being needed. I see it as reflective of the culture and the day and age. If it is bothersome, then this show may not be for the individual. Because it sure as hell ain't going anywhere.
And I realized that it isn't that Trek is doing something wrong; they are doing exactly where culture is at right now. We n o longer live in a world of TNG, where yelling at a subordinate is considered good leadership. We live in a culture which requires emotional reassurance and support, and that is reflected in the art being made.
So, no, I don't see the crying stopping or the counseling being needed. I see it as reflective of the culture and the day and age. If it is bothersome, then this show may not be for the individual. Because it sure as hell ain't going anywhere.
There's definitely a difference between how the characters in Discovery behave and how the characters in the Marvel films behave, because I'm watching the Marvel films too and I love what they're doing. They feel a lot more natural, even with all the quips and comedy.
I'm a big marvel fan and participate in MCU forums as well and there are definitely complaints on there about the quips and comedy being forced and unnatural. From the audience reactions in the theaters though, I think they land for the most part, but maybe don't age as well in repeated viewings.
It's third at the moment according the the Paramount + app.
I'm not saying the execution isn't different but that the general approach is the same. Emotional reassurances before the big moments, taking pauses during urgent action to provide support, etc. Discovery feels like a modern show, and is in line with what current productions are doing. So, as much as people can be put off by all the emotions that is where culture is at right now and it is reflected in art. I don't see it as much of a problem when taken in the larger whole.
I'm definitely still going through the process of nailing down exactly what's bothering me about the way characters behave and talk on Discovery this season. I know that it bothers me in a way that no other current series is bothering me, or movie series. I know that I like everyone being friendly and supportive in the Berman Trek series. And I know I dislike characters being jerks to each other just for the sake of creating conflict.
It's almost like it's being written by aliens who learned everything about how humans talk from Twitter, with the intent to teach young children and politicians how to properly communicate to each other, respect people's differences, and reach common ground.
That sounds really insulting I know, but like I said I'm still trying to figure it out.
It's almost like it's being written by aliens who learned everything about how humans talk from Twitter, with the intent to teach young children and politicians how to properly communicate to each other, respect people's differences, and reach common ground.
That sounds really insulting I know, but like I said I'm still trying to figure it out.
shh, don’t tell him.
about the forced issues…anybody felt that moment where the action stopped on the bridge and everybody started saying how much they liked earth was kinda forced?
It's funny but not really. This is far more of almost recency bias thing for me but I recently had a manager's meeting and we started off sharing our favorite peaceful place. And about 4 people of the 7 in attendance shared similar locations.
Here's the funny thing, I thought the show was actually better written and presented in the third season (32nd century) than years prior. The original mirror angle was great, but the second season was really a mess. That being said, S3 seemed to lose viewers and S4 even moreso. I actually have yet to see it but the typical review sites have totally buried it. It's disheartening for sure. Like I said, S3 seemed to finally have the crew cease being annoying, precocious, future dweebs and grow to be actual, hardened explorers and adventurers. If a fifth season has been ordered, I'm neutral as I haven't seen the fourth yet, but I guess happy to hear nonetheless.
If it's buried then bye-bye Discovery. Based upon the reactions here no one would miss it.
Discovery's still second place in the "What is your favorite current Star Trek show?" thread, with almost twice the votes of Picard, and the average season 4 episode score is only slightly below season 3's. It's definitely nothing like the drop I've seen on sites like IMDb, which maybe makes their scores a little suspicious.
I can only speak for myself, but personally I'm not about to bail on it any time soon.
I can only speak for myself, but personally I'm not about to bail on it any time soon.
I would not bail either, but judging the antipathy here it's pretty clear the show is not going to be missed.
Totally agreed. Apart from a couple of episodes (most notably the finale) I really liked season 3. Season 4 started strong, then totally lost me.
the huge difference between here and sites such as IMDb is that here it’s much more likely to find diehard fans, there they have a more generalist public.
And, to anticipate the question, a “diehard fan” is someone who has watched all the series, probably several times, and usually knows them well, over there most people know some bits here and there or nothing at all, only watching discovery out of curiosity.
Yeah. Only reason I liked that was because they did a quick cut to the President who looked guilty as hell while they were listing all the places they wanted to go on Earth when all this was over. She knew the DMA was in danger of wiping Earth out, but both she and Burnham had kept it a secret from the rest of the crew for the time being. Thought it was a nice subtle moment buried in all that not-so subtle dialogue.
I really don't see it as very similar to the MCU at all. Any encouragement in the MCU comes across as far lighter and is often couched in sarcasm or quips or other jokey callbacks. In Discovery it's very earnest and whispered reverently often using popular modern buzzwords.
Please, anything to stop the charts and graphs!
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