They did, actually.
Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread
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They broke into someone else's property while heavily armed.
Shooting cameras and hacking security. At what point do you go by there words over their actions?
So, Now we know what happened to Dr. Manhattan after Watchmen.
They didn't shoot their way in. They broke in, they got shot at, and they returned fire.
I'll leave aside that SHIELD operates above legal systems. My only point is it's not analogous to taking a life to save a life (of the non-attacker, so not self-defense), it's analogous to stealing medicine to save a life. The fact that someone died is collateral to the equation.
It was certainly meant to be morally ambiguous. The whole project is filled with that. There's a good argument that, morally, both Skye and Coulson should be dead and those two random dudes should be alive.
I'll leave aside that SHIELD operates above legal systems. My only point is it's not analogous to taking a life to save a life (of the non-attacker, so not self-defense), it's analogous to stealing medicine to save a life. The fact that someone died is collateral to the equation.
It was certainly meant to be morally ambiguous. The whole project is filled with that. There's a good argument that, morally, both Skye and Coulson should be dead and those two random dudes should be alive.
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Geheneris Halasan? Aka Captain Mahr Vehll. Aren't the Kree going to be making an appearance in Guardians of the Galaxy, too?
I wonder if this would be useful: Marvel characters with blue skin
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Though they did fire the first shot when they destroyed the camera.
The Guest House clearly wasn't designed to keep agents of SHIELD's caliber out. There were too many opportunities for kill zones that were simply absent from the installation. Given that and given the minimal number of guards, it was essentially designed to be assaulted. If the writers did this intentionally, then it's unlikely that the G.H. organism is lost. I'd expect that the demolition simply dropped it into a place from which it can be (relatively) easily extracted, by those who know the entry point.
While the mortally wounded guard who made it out of the room wasn't willing to negotiate up front, he was willing to implicitly beg for his life, when he knew he was certainly finished otherwise, by quite probably breaking orders to tell them about the timer. Or, maybe he realized he'd been set up to fail and had a change of heart. Either way, his betrayal of his assignment came too late to save himself.
In any case, the guards had fair warning that they were, for all they knew, really interfering with a good cause, and they had no qualms about that. They weren't selected to do the right thing, only to be too stupid to know that their mission by following orders was to die. Whether their orders covered the specific scenario of arrivals without the countersign identifying themselves as SHIELD agents or not, as soldiers who themselves took up arms and showed no mercy, they had no right to complain just because they got none in return. In fact, what they both got was exclusively among the things they'd signed up for.
While the mortally wounded guard who made it out of the room wasn't willing to negotiate up front, he was willing to implicitly beg for his life, when he knew he was certainly finished otherwise, by quite probably breaking orders to tell them about the timer. Or, maybe he realized he'd been set up to fail and had a change of heart. Either way, his betrayal of his assignment came too late to save himself.
In any case, the guards had fair warning that they were, for all they knew, really interfering with a good cause, and they had no qualms about that. They weren't selected to do the right thing, only to be too stupid to know that their mission by following orders was to die. Whether their orders covered the specific scenario of arrivals without the countersign identifying themselves as SHIELD agents or not, as soldiers who themselves took up arms and showed no mercy, they had no right to complain just because they got none in return. In fact, what they both got was exclusively among the things they'd signed up for.
But that's hardly the same thing. It's property damage. I don't think even the people defending the compound thought the camera destruction was a critical issue. It was failure to know the counter-signal that mattered.
The episode was okay though not worth the wait IMO. We seek answers and they give us more questions. Anyone else get a Guardians of the Galaxy vibe from Mr. G.H.?
I have a feeling John Garrett has the eye device. True, they stormed the building but Garrett gave the order for Ward to shoot and played with Coulson's emotions to do everything for Skye. The biggest giveaway was after Coulson broke orders and Shield sent Garrett to take command, he still went with Coulson's plan.
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I think you're confusing Tripplett (the black guy) and John Garrett (the Bill Paxton guy).
Ummm, it was a private installation and they were security with legal authority to protect it. Coulson and team were trespassing, breaking and entering, destroying private property, and stealing. Killing the guards while committing criminal offenses is first degree murder (may vary depending on jurisdiction?) Setting legalities aside it was a case of willfully killing two people because you didn't want your friend to die. If they were security guards at a common hospital, would it be OK?
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I saw it as blue. I was wondering if the alien might be a Kree. Although since they originated in Fantastic Four, I'm not sure if the rights to them would be with Marvel or Fox. (They did have to use the Chitauri instead of the Skrull.)
And if this wasn't a SHIELD facility, I wonder if it might have been a SWORD facility. Although as I believe was mentioned above, it's unclear who'd have the movie rights to SWORD. On the one hand, it originated in X-Men. On the other hand, it was created by Joss Whedon. It'd be kind of ironic if he weren't allowed to use his own creation.
I've seen it done on drama/action series. Every episode of The Man from U.N.C.L.E. was "The _____ Affair." Bones is almost always "The _____ in the _____." Continuum put "Time" in every first-season title and "Second" in every second-season title. Other examples here, though the page includes other types of title formula as well.
I find formula titles tiresome. For instance, I hate it when shows like Smallville or Beware the Batman insist on every episode title being just one word -- it's just so limited and bland. I've used one-word titles in some of my own published works when it suited the story (Aftermath and "Empathy," and my upcoming The Collectors comes close), but when they're all you ever use, it's just annoying.
That hardly compares to shooting at a person. They made it very clear they were seeking medical aid, they tried everything they could to defuse the situation peacefully, they only returned fire when they were left with no other choice, and they tried to get medical help for the injured party.
On the other hand, they did break in to the facility, so the guards were arguably justified to defend themselves. And while I don't think Coulson's team's actions could be considered murderous from an ethical standpoint, since they did all they could to avoid it, I suppose technically it could count as felony murder since it occurred during their commission of a criminal act (breaking and entering).
Then again, the guards did disregard a plea for medical attention, which is a pretty ethically questionable thing to do. I suppose technically they had no duty of care in that situation and thus didn't break any laws by refusing to help, but it hardly gives them the moral high ground. I suppose, though, that they're all operating at the level of national security and classified military operations, so they're not thinking in terms of the laws that apply to civilians.
I don't know where you're getting they had legal authority or where anything in there was legal.
It's a little late for me to get into a big debate, so I'll raise a couple thoughts.
If you are on a boat and there's a storm about to destroy your boat. If you dock it at someone's dock and take shelter in their home, have you committed a crime? The answer is generally "no" through the defense of necessity.
If you break into a home to steal water when you would otherwise die of dehydration, is it a crime?
If you break into a home to steal water and trigger a shotgun trap the owner had set up, which shoots you in the face, has the owner committed a crime?
Finally, if you break into a home to steal water and the owner attacks you and, in the struggle, you end up killing him, has anyone or both committed a crime?
ETA: I'll throw in this one: A burglar enters your home. You somehow (through clairvoyance) know for a fact that he is only going to steal your TV and won't harm you. May you shoot him?
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This looks like AGH (Alien Growth Hormone.).
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Kree soldiers Ronan the Accuser and Korath the Pursuer are both in Guardians of the Galaxy.
If you don't have the counter password you get fragged. That's it. No wiggle room.
The G.H. alien
What if they don't know his name/species and he's simply The Guest.
The initials tag him as the Guest House...guest.
Too simple?
What if they don't know his name/species and he's simply The Guest.
The initials tag him as the Guest House...guest.
Too simple?
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