Fan reactions to Starfleet Academy's female Jem'Hadar/Klingon hybrid character

[Brainsucker]

So, those genetic engineered male Jem'hadar in 24th century are sterile? And my 2nd question is, can they cross breed with different species, like, for example female Klingon? If so, then Are Romulan, Klingon, and Jem'hadar came from the same ancestry? Because cat definitely can't cross breed with a dog. But we have Romulan-Klingon character in TNG and now Jem'hadar-Klingon character in Academy. Or maybe this Jem'hadar-Klingon hybrid is born with the result a genetic engineered technology that make the two species to breed. Dunno.

My 3rd question is, Jemhadar has a short life. So, would she die in about 11 years or something, like her ancestor?

 

[Nerys Myk]

So, those genetic engineered male Jem'hadar in 24th century are sterile? And my 2nd question is, can they cross breed with different species, like, for example female Klingon? If so, then Are Romulan, Klingon, and Jem'hadar came from the same ancestry? Because cat definitely can't cross breed with a dog. But we have Romulan-Klingon character in TNG and now Jem'hadar-Klingon character in Academy. Or maybe this Jem'hadar-Klingon hybrid is born with the result a genetic engineered technology that make the two species to breed. Dunno.

My 3rd question is, Jemhadar has a short life. So, would she die in about 11 years or something, like her ancestor?

You might want to watch "The Chase"

 

[Brainsucker]

You might want to watch "The Chase"

So, Male Gen. Engineered Jemhadar from 24th century is sterile or not? If not, then a male Jemhadar can just procreated with a female Klingon. And viola, all the question answered.

 

[fireproof78]

So, those genetic engineered male Jem'hadar in 24th century are sterile? And my 2nd question is, can they cross breed with different species, like, for example female Klingon? If so, then Are Romulan, Klingon, and Jem'hadar came from the same ancestry? Because cat definitely can't cross breed with a dog. But we have Romulan-Klingon character in TNG and now Jem'hadar-Klingon character in Academy. Or maybe this Jem'hadar-Klingon hybrid is born with the result a genetic engineered technology that make the two species to breed. Dunno.

My 3rd question is, Jemhadar has a short life. So, would she die in about 11 years or something, like her ancestor?

Question -are Jem'Hadar genetically engineered whole cloth or from a base species? If the later, then reproduction is a non issue as is the age.

Though, reproduction is a non-issue in Trek. Paris could reproduce with Kes, and that offspring was not sterile. A Cardassian could reproduce with a Kazon.

So, Male Gen. Engineered Jemhadar from 24th century is sterile or not? If not, then a male Jemhadar can just procreated with a female Klingon. And viola, all the question answered

Males from the Dominion might be. Or they just don't care because of their engineering. Sex is a distraction for a warrior.

 

[eschaton]

Again, if they never engineered female Jem'hadar, why bother making them sterile at all?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

So they can't have hybrids.

Maybe Jem'Hadar is to (species name(s)) what Human is to Augment.

 

[Honshu]

You might want to watch "The Chase"

<Opinion disclaimer>
The Jem'Hadar are made, not "domesticated", or modified natives, as the Founders themselves explain. The Founders go great lengths to create and indoctrinate/program them under tight control, even bringing their labs close to the danger zones to do so. So, they don't let them reproduce only to cull them or prod them to procreate more- the whole operation is very tightly controlled and kept to real-time needs only.
In that view, it seems to me that it would have been self-defeating to make them capable of, or eager to, reproduce sexually in the DS9 setup.
On the other hand, you may remember that in TNG, the Creators did shine some light on the uncanny fundamental similarities between very far away species, very dissimilar in appearance.
Of all this we can conclude that with some committed genetic engineering, a lot of functions can be turned on and off atop common fundamentals. A civilisation advanced enough can cross-breed and repurpose just about any stock from the original structures, and can even graft any or all their genes onto a robotic or synthetic species, see the Borg and Mr. Data.
Since in theory all is possible, it comes down to qui bono, who benefits, why and how.
The real challenge to stubborn all-time dual-gendered species comes with the non-corporeal species, such as the Q and the Prophets... </end opinion disclaimer>

 

[Nerys Myk]

So, Male Gen. Engineered Jemhadar from 24th century is sterile or not? If not, then a male Jemhadar can just procreated with a female Klingon. And viola, all the question answered.

Well we're talking about a Jemhadar from the 32nd Century. No idea what "upgrades" have been introduced to the species since the 24th Century. Perhaps with the defeat of the Dominion, the Jemhadar have been granted the freedom and autonomy to pursue their own "upgrades" including sexual dimorphism.

The Progenitors and the Founders (In their solid form) look very similar. So the Founders may be the last remnant of the Progenitors or perhaps the closest thing to the original "blueprint."

The Founders are fond of genetic engineering, creating the Vorta and the Jemhadar Though I don't feel either one was created from whole cloth. I think the Jemhadar are genetically modified Tosk,

 

[fireproof78]

Again, if they never engineered female Jem'hadar, why bother making them sterile at all?

This assumes they are whole cloth creations, rather than like the Vorta who are modified and engineered to serve the Founders and the Dominion.

 

[Uncle Sock]

Who says this character was conceived by making whoopie? It’s totally possible she was cooked up in a lab herself. I mean, if you can create an entire species from scratch in a lab, then it’s even more believable—especially 1,000 years later—that you could whip up a hybrid alien and give them whatever sex you want.

TL;DR: I think she’s a lab creation.

 

[Honshu]

Well we're talking about a Jemhadar from the 32nd Century. No idea what "upgrades" have been introduced to the species since the 24th Century. Perhaps with the defeat of the Dominion, the Jemhadar have been granted the freedom and autonomy to pursue their own "upgrades" including sexual dimorphism.

The Progenitors and the Founders (In their solid form) look very similar. So the Founders may be the last remnant of the Progenitors or perhaps the closest thing to the original "blueprint."

The Founders are fond of genetic engineering, creating the Vorta and the Jemhadar Though I don't feel either one was created from whole cloth. I think the Jemhadar are genetically modified Tosk,

Progenitors, you're right, my bad

 

[Tuskin38]

Maybe wait until the show airs, they might explain it

 

[Nyotarules]

So, those genetic engineered male Jem'hadar in 24th century are sterile? And my 2nd question is, can they cross breed with different species, like, for example female Klingon? If so, then Are Romulan, Klingon, and Jem'hadar came from the same ancestry? Because cat definitely can't cross breed with a dog. But we have Romulan-Klingon character in TNG and now Jem'hadar-Klingon character in Academy. Or maybe this Jem'hadar-Klingon hybrid is born with the result a genetic engineered technology that make the two species to breed. Dunno.

My 3rd question is, Jemhadar has a short life. So, would she die in about 11 years or something, like her ancestor?

Spock says Live long and prosper

 

[Trogly]

Too reasonable for fandom, sadly. This is the same fandom with members that got mad at TNG as it didn't feature Kirk and Spock, or that hated the "change for the sake of change" with Klingon make up in TMP.

"People can be very frightened of change."

I think (IMHO) that the worst Klingon makeup was in Discovery.

 

[Trogly]

I was not aware of any complaints about the character. The fact that Jem'Hadar were entirely male in the 24th century was brought up in our Academy thread, but we'd already reached a consensus that as an engineered race, it was conceivable they could have women by the 32nd century. So, who is this thread directed at exactly?

It's one chromosome in humans that separate a male from female. I'm guessing that over 800 years, Odo could have convinced the other founders to allow the Jem'Hadar to create families and to live for more than war. Hence a Jem'Hadar and a Klingon sitting in a tree....

 

[Turtletrekker]

I think (IMHO) that the worst Klingon makeup was in Discovery.

Honestly, I prefer the Discovery Klingons to the Kelvin Klingons.

 

[fireproof78]

I think (IMHO) that the worst Klingon makeup was in Discovery.

Meh. My only disagreement with the make up is how it limited actors. Some of the designs were good.

But, for my money, Kelvin Klingon was the best, aside from Chang.

 

[SatrianiRules]

Some pedants also point out that the actress has a "large body size" and say "Klingons and Jem'Hadar are warriors! They're all fit and have great physiques!" There have been plenty of heavy-set Klingons in Star Trek (General Koord in ST: V, Chancellor K'mpek from TNG, the chef at the Klingon restaurant in DS9 season 2 to name but a few). The character being heavyset is such a non-issue, and if she is the product of a union between an Jem'Hadar and a Klingon, there is no reason she couldn't have inherited the genes for larger body size.

People complain because of something that is new and different being done in a new Star trek series that is set in a timeframe beyond anything that's been seen so far. And they complain because this character is part Jem'Hadar and yet not like the Jem'Hadar in DS9 800 years past. A LOT can change in 800 years. I think Star Trek would be a lot less believable if nothing had changed after 800 years. These same people say this is an example of Star Trek's creative powers ignoring canon. It's not. It's building canon. Nothing about this character contradicts, retcons, or otherwise disrespects canon.

And then there's all the people saying that it's part of "the woke agenda". No it's not. It's just a character. Yet it's obviously played by a black woman and a person with some body size. So what? Why does/should that matter? Honestly all the hate/outrage over the character BEFORE the show has even premiered: much ado about nothing. I have a better idea: how about let's not go Green Eggs and Ham and actually wait until the series premieres and we actually see the character before passing judgement.

people and society in general has a standard blueprint of what a "warrior', or even athlete looks like..typically they are lean and muscular with ripped muscles... and the overwhelming majority of warriors and athletes resemble this prototype.
but there are also other body types...look at NFL Offensive Lineman and Defensive Linemen. These guys hardly look lean and chiseled, they have big guts and look like grizzly bears, and don't have ripped muscles, but they are still athletes and are faster and stronger than 99% of people, and could beat most of them in a foot race despite their size...

So maybe it's that people are accustomed to a particular thing and when they see something that doesn't fit their expectation, it causes dissonance.