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Agents of SHIELD. Season 1 Discussion Thread

That single scene was so Whedonesque, here we all discuss what the secret might be and the single reason he does not remember anything is because it was a living nightmare, it was nothing but hell. It was so insanely painful that by the end his only wish was to die... :eek:

I can't stop thinking about that scene. It's like waking up in the middle of an operation and trying to scream in pain and failing, but so, so, so much worse.
 
To die again. And make it permanent this time.

Except they were able to restore him to a more comfortable existence in the end...
 
Except they were able to restore him to a more comfortable existence in the end...
Comfortable for now, and comfortable being a relative word.

I have a feeling he's not very comfortable with the memories of the pain. And of what they did to him in general.
 
Still the question is: why was resurrecting him so important to go through all that?

I'm sure we'll find out more. My hope is Fury had personal reasons (some kind of guilt about getting him killed). It's entirely possible they did it because they wanted to see if they could, though.

If so then he's a bad commander. Fury is leading a worldwide organization with a high risk potential and apparently regular combat operations so he's bound to lose people under his command. While that may not impact him as much when Pvt. NoName dies Coulson was a top level agent who gets high value missions.

Even if he liked Coulson on a personal level it would be unprofessional to let feelings into his decision process and Fury doesn't strike me as that type of guy.

Best and most logical explanation would be that Coulson is just such a good agent that he was brought back. Maybe plans are on hand for every top level Shield employee who have very valuable skills and it is standard procedure.

However it could be also more.. i'd be disappointed if my explanation was all there was to it.
 
What if the 7th operation was the 7th attempt to bring him back? Maybe he died again the first 6 times Shield tried to revive him.
 
What if the 7th operation was the 7th attempt to bring him back? Maybe he died again the first 6 times Shield tried to revive him.

Wow, dude, that is a horrible thought. "Let me die, because I can't take dying over and over again like this." Ungodly. Dude!
 
Except they were able to restore him to a more comfortable existence in the end...
Comfortable for now, and comfortable being a relative word.

I have a feeling he's not very comfortable with the memories of the pain. And of what they did to him in general.

You'd think some counseling and some Xanax would've been a slightly better route to go rather than robots sticking needles in his brain and implanted memories.
 
That's what every surgery is like if you wake up in the middle.

Saw a movie called "Awake" where Hyaden Christiansen, is awake and freaking out during surgery while still immobilized and no one knows.
 
Except they were able to restore him to a more comfortable existence in the end...
Comfortable for now, and comfortable being a relative word.

I have a feeling he's not very comfortable with the memories of the pain. And of what they did to him in general.

You'd think some counseling and some Xanax would've been a slightly better route to go rather than robots sticking needles in his brain and implanted memories.

Or maybe they should have implanted, say, a memory of him recuperating during his time off. I would ask questions too if I died and woke up in Tahiti.
 
He was programmed not to think about it.

Phil was programmed to say "It's a magical place" whenever he thought about Tahiti.

Although he couldn't question Tahiti, which did pique his interest is not only how many numerous times he had said "It's magical place" but that he couldn't stop himself from saying "It's a magical place" every time a Tahitian thought was triggered.
 
^But was that wise? Implanting a memory of a beach resort without recovery from a deadly stab and a triggered response to the word Tahiti doesn't sound like a wise course of action to me.
 
It seems we're talking about a bunch of prototype technologies here, so it's not a question of what's wise or ideal, it's a question of what they were able to achieve.
 
It seems we're talking about a bunch of prototype technologies here, so it's not a question of what's wise or ideal, it's a question of what they were able to achieve.

I think that may be the reason he was brought back as well. It was all an experiment to see if anyone could be brought back from the dead after such a long time, even better if it was such a great agent as Coulson. He was just a guinea pig...
 
^But was that wise? Implanting a memory of a beach resort without recovery from a deadly stab and a triggered response to the word Tahiti doesn't sound like a wise course of action to me.

The false story held for months. Maybe a year. It's better than you are giving it credit for being just becuase it eventually broke,
 
I think that's all it is. Essentially secret SHIELD technology that's an abomination to man and God.

The question is, is that "man and God" or "man and god"? I took it to mean the second way.

I like Coulson but I'm kind of baffled as to why Fury thought he was such a special snowflake as to "move heaven and Earth" to resurrect him.

Again, is this meant to be a common phrase or a hint to something not-of-this-world.


I'm sure they used Asgardian tech. Or maybe I'm reading too much into Coulson's space vision and what looked like Asgard for a moment.

That's what I'm thinking. Again with the "man and God" and "moved heaven and Earth" comments, it seemed to me that they were implying alien-tech, Asgardian or otherwise.

Well, now we know part of what was done to Coulson-- and, more importantly, he knows. But we still don't know how Fury "moved Heaven and Earth" to resurrect him. I wonder if that phrase implies using Asgardian technology. And we still don't know why. I like the idea that he was saved because of his good character; it would be nice if the thing that makes a character vital and irreplaceable is their integrity, rather than them just being the Chosen One or something.

"moved heaven and earth" is a figure of speech.

Yes, it is. My question is: Is it just a figure of speech or is it a hint of something more? As a figure of speech, it does seem warranted to describe seven operations to save a man who had died. However, on a show set in a universe where the Asgardian gods are "Ancient Astronauts" (if you'll forgive the term) and we've seen a few other alien races (Chitaruri and The Collector) and are due to see quite a few more (Kree, Zen Whobian, Centauri, possibly Spartoi) rather soon, it does seem likely this line is hinting at something more.

Duh!

This astonishing thing just happened.

I now have sincere respect for Alan Thicke.

Alan Thicke the Musician.

He composed the themes for the Facts of Life and Diff'rent Strokes.

From Alan we get the themes for Facts of Life and Diff'rent Strokes, from Robin, we get "Blurred Lines." Go figure.
 
I think that's all it is. Essentially secret SHIELD technology that's an abomination to man and God.

The question is, is that "man and God" or "man and god"? I took it to mean the second way.

I honestly don't follow. I mean I get that you capitalized one and not the other, but I otherwise don't know what you're talking about. Although, if it helps, I meant it as a figure of speech.

That's what I'm thinking. Again with the "man and God" and "moved heaven and Earth" comments, it seemed to me that they were implying alien-tech, Asgardian or otherwise.

Did they say man and God or just me? I thought I said it. The technology might be extraterrestrial in origin (probably not Asgardian given a) I don't think Asgard has been shown to have anything like this and b) the relatively small connections between Asgard and SHIELD, limited to pretty much Thor), but it seems to be an original invention for the television show. However, SHIELD is portrayed as collecting the weird, strange, and unexplained from both our planet and outerspace with no hesitation to try to use it for their own purposes. Given that, it could certainly be alien or simply invented by a mad scientist.

To be honest, it was a legitimately powerful moment on its own that can stand on its own two feet without needing to steal something from a comic. And, to be honest, I don't think there's anything like this to steal. Many comic explanations didn't explain the whole "he can never know thing" anyway. A Life Model Decoy would have worked (I find the whole "am I really me" debate to be a bit tiresome these days, though).

The only one I could think of is something involving "Death" the character. But Marvel, while is has fantasy, hasn't been fantastical so far and I doubt the show would be where they take the leap to go that far. Maybe after Dr. Strange, we'll be able to go down that route, but I don't think we're there yet. Keep in mind how much the first Thor movie (the second to a much lesser degree) had to emphasize that they were just aliens not gods. That's because Marvel thinks the audience can accept aliens, but won't accept gods. Likewise, I don't think they're prepared to introduce death unless they can think of a way that would make her just an alien and that would probably cheapen death too much to be a good thing.

Yes, it is. My question is: Is it just a figure of speech or is it a hint of something more?

Well, I've been only giving my opinion, but I thought it was pretty clear my answer was, yes it's just a figure of speech, no it's not a hint of something more.
 
"moved heaven and earth" is a figure of speech.

Writers sometimes use figures of speech as hints for a more literal interpretation. Book also said it was "ungodly". We'll have to wait and see.
Yup, exactly.

What if the 7th operation was the 7th attempt to bring him back? Maybe he died again the first 6 times Shield tried to revive him.
Ouch. Yeah, that's a horrible thought, all right. And you may be right.
 
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