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6.5X011 The God Complex (Grading/Discussion) (SPOILERS!)

What did you think of "The God Complex" ?


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^ I had thought that too. (Also, he probably cheated a little to save Martha and Mickey from that Sontaran.)
 
So he gave them a new car and a new house. Why a new house? Their house from the first episode seemed quite nice.
Maybe he has doubts about the earning potential of a nurse and a strippogram. Maybe he's trying to score brownie points with River in some oblique way. Maybe he feels guilty about the effect he's had on their lives. More than likely, though, it's simple generosity of spirit and the fact that they have a unique friendship. He wants them to do well in their lives. Without the burden of rent or mortgage, Amy would be freer to pursue an academic career, plausible given that Older Amy designed her own version of a sonic screwdriver.

He also gave Donna a lottery ticket. The Doctor is not against giving his companions some big gifts. Plus, there could be something special about the house or its location. The guy has access to future knowledge and future technology. He probably has some ideas about what constitutes a safe environment for Rory and Amy.

Some of what's happened to Amy & Rory has been to get to the Doctor.

I'm not sure he could protect them from that unless he put a perception filter on the house so as to shield them from being found.
 
Maybe he has doubts about the earning potential of a nurse and a strippogram. Maybe he's trying to score brownie points with River in some oblique way. Maybe he feels guilty about the effect he's had on their lives. More than likely, though, it's simple generosity of spirit and the fact that they have a unique friendship. He wants them to do well in their lives. Without the burden of rent or mortgage, Amy would be freer to pursue an academic career, plausible given that Older Amy designed her own version of a sonic screwdriver.

He also gave Donna a lottery ticket. The Doctor is not against giving his companions some big gifts. Plus, there could be something special about the house or its location. The guy has access to future knowledge and future technology. He probably has some ideas about what constitutes a safe environment for Rory and Amy.


I'm not sure he could protect them from that unless he put a perception filter on the house so as to shield them from being found.

And it would help when the tax collector came 'round.
 
^ Amy may be a bit easy and she may have helped shorten Vincent Van Gogh's life by a year or so, but dodging civic duty in a time of recession? Sorry, but a girl's got to have standards!
 
Maybe he has doubts about the earning potential of a nurse and a strippogram. Maybe he's trying to score brownie points with River in some oblique way. Maybe he feels guilty about the effect he's had on their lives. More than likely, though, it's simple generosity of spirit and the fact that they have a unique friendship. He wants them to do well in their lives. Without the burden of rent or mortgage, Amy would be freer to pursue an academic career, plausible given that Older Amy designed her own version of a sonic screwdriver.

He also gave Donna a lottery ticket. The Doctor is not against giving his companions some big gifts. Plus, there could be something special about the house or its location. The guy has access to future knowledge and future technology. He probably has some ideas about what constitutes a safe environment for Rory and Amy.

Some of what's happened to Amy & Rory has been to get to the Doctor.

I'm not sure he could protect them from that unless he put a perception filter on the house so as to shield them from being found.

Not really, Amy and Rory were only relevant in so far as they concieved Melody. Right now they're just like any other ex companion. If someone wanted to get at the Doctor there are, lets face it, dozens of people they could threaten.
 
I rewatched this yesterday, and am now really annoyed at myself that I voted "atlantis". On repeat viewing this episode gives so much more, I'd give it 5 stars easily. Not quite Doctors Wife material (the standard by which all other shall be judged from now on, apart perhaps from "Blink") but still easily up there with the best the new series has produced. If you had problems with it the first time round, if possible, give it another go, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

For some reason I'm finding that a lot this season in particular. Even The Doctors Wife... whilst I enjoyed it the first time round, subsequent viewings bring much greater enjoyment. Also like The Doctors wife, when it came for The Doctor to say goodbye to Idris I was in tears, and on second viewing of The God Complex with the goodbye to Amy I was also in tears when he was standing alone in the TARDIS again.
 
Yeah I watched it again last night and I still think it's good. Probably didn't like it any more but sure as hell didn't like it any less :)
 
Very likely himself and/or the TARDIS. (Thought I heard a sound effect from the console room.) He initially thought that it would be what he most feared, but actually it would have been what would elicit from him the most potent sense of faith, unless the line about leakage is to be believed. Interesting that it was room number 11, too.

I'm not buying what he said about the person "steeped in the blood of a thousand galaxies" not being him, either.

I thought little Amy was what was in the Doctors room? He put a DO NOT DISTURB hanger on the door when he peeked, and then as the hotel fades away, you see the DND hanger fall off the door they just walked out of.

Did I miss something?

During the scene with little Amelia you can see the door behind them and it has no sign and is room #7 not #11. Though it's interesting to note that Doctor #7 also had to shake his companion's faith in him.

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That's well noticed. Fenric was the first thing I thought of when it came to the companion's faith thing, but this episode did it well in its own right.
 
Question: The music that played as the Doctor was talking with Amy/Amelia and as the hotel hologram vanished and the Minotaur was dying. Was this existing music (possibly from the series 5 soundtrack), or a new piece? For instance, during the bit where Howie was tied up and they were trapping the Minotaur was "I remember you" from the series 5 soundtrack.

EDIT never mind, I found it. The piece used was "The Life and Death of Amy Pond".
 
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Maybe he has doubts about the earning potential of a nurse and a strippogram. Maybe he's trying to score brownie points with River in some oblique way. Maybe he feels guilty about the effect he's had on their lives. More than likely, though, it's simple generosity of spirit and the fact that they have a unique friendship. He wants them to do well in their lives. Without the burden of rent or mortgage, Amy would be freer to pursue an academic career, plausible given that Older Amy designed her own version of a sonic screwdriver.

He also gave Donna a lottery ticket. The Doctor is not against giving his companions some big gifts. Plus, there could be something special about the house or its location. The guy has access to future knowledge and future technology. He probably has some ideas about what constitutes a safe environment for Rory and Amy.

Some of what's happened to Amy & Rory has been to get to the Doctor.

I'm not sure he could protect them from that unless he put a perception filter on the house so as to shield them from being found.

I was thinking more along the lines of protection from the next alien invasion of London, plague, or food riots. Though, I'm sure he could set the house to alert him to various 'enemies of the Doctor.'
 
Anyway, it was kinda like "Night Terrors" only a little better. Guest cast was all quite good, though Arab Nurse might have well been named Doomed Arab Nurse.

Um, fairly certain that Rita isn't an Arab. Given her father's accent, I'd be inclined to suspect that her parents were from India or Pakistan, or somewhere else in that region. (Her actress, Amara Karan, is apparently Sri Lankan Tamil.)

Weeping Angels have sure been bled dry, huh.

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They've been used in all of two stories.

But yeah this ep was great, a Nimon (sort of) a riff on the end of Fenric, Rita (as it's been said best companion we never had since Lynda?)

Well, I think the best companion-who-never-was was probably Reinette, but I digress. ;) I adored Rita and thought it was an absolute waste not to be able to bring Karan back as her in the future. But, hey, I thought the same thing about Christina Chong's Lorna Buckett in "A Good Man Goes to War."

I just don't understand why anyone would want to invade a world inhabited by people who look and act like that. Any natural resources they had would have been stripped away ages ago, and any special technologies or knowledge they would have had would have been in possession of the countless invading races beforehand. So what's the point?

Why does anyone invade and conquer anyone else? For one simple reason: Power.

^ Amy may be a bit easy

Oh? Why's that?

and she may have helped shorten Vincent Van Gogh's life by a year or so,

Erm, no, she didn't shorten Vincent's life. She didn't change his lifespan at all, was the point.
 
^ Amy may be a bit easy

Oh? Why's that?
Kissogram job, coming on to the Doctor at the end of the Weeping Angels two-parter, you-may-definitely-kiss-the-bride in The Big Bang; that kind of thing. I thought that it was pretty clear that my post was in jest.


and she may have helped shorten Vincent Van Gogh's life by a year or so,

Erm, no, she didn't shorten Vincent's life. She didn't change his lifespan at all, was the point.
This wasn't established. However, there are a few things about the first and final scenes that can and have been interpreted as hinting that maybe they did have a negative effect, eg where the first conversation between the Doctor and Dr Black seems to indicate that Van Gogh originally died in 1891 and not 1890.

(ETA: I was going to mention something about Wheat Field With Crows being upgraded from one of his last paintings to his actual last one, but on checking it appears that Dr Black may have been referring to something else on the final scene when he mentioned Van Gogh's final work. Apparently the painting's status as his final work is considered a popular misconception in real life anyway.)
 
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Anyway, it was kinda like "Night Terrors" only a little better. Guest cast was all quite good, though Arab Nurse might have well been named Doomed Arab Nurse.

Um, fairly certain that Rita isn't an Arab. Given her father's accent, I'd be inclined to suspect that her parents were from India or Pakistan, or somewhere else in that region. (Her actress, Amara Karan, is apparently Sri Lankan Tamil.)

Yeah, she was Mulsim, but not Arab.
 
Weeping Angels have sure been bled dry, huh.
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They've been used in all of two stories.

Yes, and in this one they weren't even the slightest bit frightening, which is what I meant by "bled dry."

I miss Hettie MacDonald.

They weren't supposed to be in this story, we knew it wasn't them, there was no danger from them, nothing was going to happen.
 
Yes, but the characters are clearly frightened. I don't expect to be cowering, but I should feel something.
 
WHAT ABOUT THE FISH???

By which I mean, having just rewatched the episode last night, I remembered a part that I had noticed the first time round and not understood, and didn't understand it any better this time either.

When the Doctor is talking to the Minotaur in the hair salon, there's a fish in a bowl.

(There's a sentence you don't get to type all that often.)

When he's chasing after the Minotaur to try to save the geeky guy, he tells Amy, "Get the fish." She's like, "The fish? Oh, the fish." And she grabs the fish.

Then later, when he's watching the Muslim woman get attacked by the Minotaur on one of the security monitors, one of the other screens shows the coward alien guy eating the fish.

WTF does this mean?

Nobody else has mentioned it within 15 pages, so either nobody noticed or it all made perfect sense to everybody else and just not me. But seriously, I have no clue what the hell that's all about. It seems like the kind of thing they wouldn't have wasted production money and screen time on unless it meant something, but I honestly could not say what that might be. Any help?

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You can count me in the "didn't notice" category. I don't remember The Doctor telling Amy to get the fish (but I'm willing to take your word for it), but I do remember Gibbis eating them. I doubt it was suppose to mean anything. *shrug*
 
Arab? Uh...she clearly stated she was BRITISH. I could've guessed that anyway what with the British accent and the drinking of TEA in crisis. ;)
 
I assume he meant of Arab descent. She's not, but you can criticize the statement on those grounds without having to obscure what was obviously meant at least in the aspect of ethnicity not citizenship.

Anyway, I noticed him getting the fish. Never noticed it get eaten. Quite odd that they made a point of having the fish, but never explained it.
 
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