SG-U – Sabotage (1x16) - (Discuss – Grade | SPOILERS)

[broberfett]

Glad to see Tom doing his job for a change

I'm still waiting for my raise! LOL

16 episodes in and I still marvel at Lt. James big boobs.

Yes, Lt. Tittties always makes me stand at attention.

 

[Kelthaz]

Re: SG-U

If you are referring to the sarcophagus there was at least one side effect. Prolonged use turns the user into an ego-maniacal sociopath bent on universal domination.

Granted, but won't a single exposure "fix" everything that's wrong?

I'm still wondering why Daniel had to keep his glasses. (Actually, given the number of times when both he and Rush seem to function quite well without them, I wonder about the entire issue. As a spectacle-American myself, I'm useless without my specs.)

I've known people who don't need glasses for anything else (my mother being one of them) but if she didn't have reading glasses on she'd get a headache when she read a book.

I have glasses, but I'm not wearing them now. Some of us just wear them for minor vision correction.

 

[broberfett]

I liked that they remembered the robot and used it. I think Rush should have made love to the girl because it was her only chance to ever do that. I think it would be morally fine since Ming-Na's character used her borrowed body to do anything she wanted, including lesbian sex. A pregnancy scare might have been interesting there. I expected greater hesitation to return from the disabled girl.

I didn't suspect that Chloe, Eli, and Scott were imposters or controlled at all. I guess because Eli acted normally and casually and that seemed beyond the ability of the screeching alien that attacked when it traded bodies last time. When the gate lit up I was expecting that the aliens had learned about the gates from Chloe and others like Rush the same way Chloe knew how to read the alien writing on the crashed shuttle. Eli was a little strange with his hesitation to send back the Kino. Maybe the aliens are able to maintain a subsurface level of control or cognition that allows normal personality. They have control, but the subject is unaware and acts normally for the most part.

 

[The Grim Ghost]

I'm wondering if when you use the stones, there is some kind of offscreen briefing and agreement along the lines of "look here is what you can or cannot do with this body"

It seems like something that should be addressed, because when you have people body swapping back to earth and visiting wives/boyfriends etc... this is gonna come up.

I really don't get the controversy angle here. Did Wray use the woman's body in a previous episode to have sex with her partner? Was that made clear? If so how come no uproar over that? So it is okay for a lesbian to use another woman's body to have lesbian sex (considering the host may or may not have been gay) but not okay for a straight woman to use a lesbian woman's body for hetero sex..

Both actions seem pretty morally questionable to me.

Also there was no uproar over Young using Telford's body for sex.

And honestly I can understand Little Miss Brilliant going for it with Rush. Nobody ever said she was some perfectly moral heroic type. She saw her chance and she took it. Rush was a good guy and recognized that it was wrong (along with his dead wife issues)

 

[Star Wolf]

I'm wondering if when you use the stones, there is some kind of offscreen briefing and agreement along the lines of "look here is what you can or cannot do with this body"

It seems like something that should be addressed, because when you have people body swapping back to earth and visiting wives/boyfriends etc... this is gonna come up.

I really don't get the controversy angle here. Did Wray use the woman's body in a previous episode to have sex with her partner? Was that made clear? If so how come no uproar over that? So it is okay for a lesbian to use another woman's body to have lesbian sex (considering the host may or may not have been gay) but not okay for a straight woman to use a lesbian woman's body for hetero sex..

Both actions seem pretty morally questionable to me.

Also there was no uproar over Young using Telford's body for sex.

And honestly I can understand Little Miss Brilliant going for it with Rush. Nobody ever said she was some perfectly moral heroic type. She saw her chance and she took it. Rush was a good guy and recognized that it was wrong (along with his dead wife issues)

No Colonel Telford's body was used by Colonel Young and Telford knew because of the FTL transition glitch. Maybe it wasn't a big deal on Trek BBS but on other boards the rape of Colonel Telford and Chloe going out drinking with Airman Xs body was the biggest discussion of season 1.0. As everybody loaded up to protest the so-called "Gatefail" episode which Sabotage was.

As for Wray she had a home visit and kissed and they skipped to breakfast the next morning as opposed to Scott pumping James in the closet at Icarus and Young's wife riding on top of Telford/Young

 

[Yoda]

You still... like... actually watch the show? We are probably going to have to agree to disagree, and I mean no disrespect but that entire post seemed to be:
"I hate this, I hate that, I really hate that, the robots ok, now back to hate."

Well, the episode sucked.

It just seems like you'd be a happier person to go watch something you enjoy.

Sadly the TV landscape is pretty barren... especially at the tail end of the week. Besides, what makes you think that trashing bad TV doesn't make me happy?

Heck, sounds like maybe you'd be happier if you didn't read my reviews... *shrug*

Stargate is in one of those situations where I've already watched so much of the franchise that it'd seem kind of silly to skip at this point. It's kind of like the Star Wars prequels, after The Phantom Menace you're pretty worried... after Attack of the Clones you've all put given up, but there's just one more shitty movie to go, may as well finish it off.

Besides, all it cost me was 40 minutes at night when I was having trouble sleeping anyway!

If it ends up being more like this week and less like the last two for the rest of the season I might stop watching. If they killed off Lt Tatum and the Lesbian I could potentially really like this show in the end. Of course, if they kept Teyla along for 5 seasons, or whatever it was, then that's probably an unrealistic dream.

Anyway, they weren't going to make it before the sabotage occurred, and the sabotage didn't fix the problem it actually made it worse by disabling the FTL. From what I could tell the FTL drives work kind of like a string of christmas lights. (or atleast the old ones) You break one bulb, the whole string won't light up. But, if you cut that socket out entirely, and reconnect the severed wire, the string will light up again.

I could be wrong though.

I guess that's what they're saying it's like... but if you're designing a ship that's ridiculously redundant and flying through the universe on its own... it seems that you would do it another way.

 

[The Grim Ghost]

I'm wondering if when you use the stones, there is some kind of offscreen briefing and agreement along the lines of "look here is what you can or cannot do with this body"

It seems like something that should be addressed, because when you have people body swapping back to earth and visiting wives/boyfriends etc... this is gonna come up.

I really don't get the controversy angle here. Did Wray use the woman's body in a previous episode to have sex with her partner? Was that made clear? If so how come no uproar over that? So it is okay for a lesbian to use another woman's body to have lesbian sex (considering the host may or may not have been gay) but not okay for a straight woman to use a lesbian woman's body for hetero sex..

Both actions seem pretty morally questionable to me.

Also there was no uproar over Young using Telford's body for sex.

And honestly I can understand Little Miss Brilliant going for it with Rush. Nobody ever said she was some perfectly moral heroic type. She saw her chance and she took it. Rush was a good guy and recognized that it was wrong (along with his dead wife issues)

No Colonel Telford's body was used by Colonel Young and Telford knew because of the FTL transition glitch. Maybe it wasn't a big deal on Trek BBS but on other boards the rape of Colonel Telford and Chloe going out drinking with Airman Xs body was the biggest discussion of season 1.0. As everybody loaded up to protest the so-called "Gatefail" episode which Sabotage was.

As for Wray she had a home visit and kissed and they skipped to breakfast the next morning as opposed to Scott pumping James in the closet at Icarus and Young's wife riding on top of Telford/Young

Okay, but this is why I'm wondering if there are set protocols for using the stones. Enough questionable things have been done with them now and at least some of the hosts are aware of it.

Not saying that makes it right. But if there is awareness that the SGU crew is using the bodies at times for sex, drinking etc.. and the practice is allowed to continue then it makes me wonder if the host bodies signed off on all of this? A sort of "just bring it back in one piece" kind of deal maybe?

We haven't seen any hesitation from those on earth about the continued use of their bodies or vice versa.

 

[Yoda]

The body swapping stuff has been handled so poorly, I just assume the writers were too dumb to think about the consequences of using other people's bodies for stuff. The swappy scenes in S1.0 make no sense.

 

[Harvey]

If there are set protocols for dealing with the stones, they are either weak or not being followed. We've seen people engage in sex, drink heavily, and get into fights. Nobody seems to think the host might be upset by this behavior, except for Rush in this episode.

Which says a lot about how seriously the writers want to take things.

 

[Agent Richard07]

I liked the way they used the stones this week. Seeing Camile having to endure time in a disabled body was both attention grabbing and gut-wrenching.

Agreed. They handled this storyline quite well, which was a welcome change from the way the stones were used in season 1.0.

Having James swap, panic a bit and pull out of the situation saying "I can't do this!" was also a nice touch. Forgot to mention that. I actually felt for her while all that was happening.

I'm wondering if when you use the stones, there is some kind of offscreen briefing and agreement along the lines of "look here is what you can or cannot do with this body"

It seems like something that should be addressed, because when you have people body swapping back to earth and visiting wives/boyfriends etc... this is gonna come up.

I really don't get the controversy angle here. Did Wray use the woman's body in a previous episode to have sex with her partner? Was that made clear? If so how come no uproar over that? So it is okay for a lesbian to use another woman's body to have lesbian sex (considering the host may or may not have been gay) but not okay for a straight woman to use a lesbian woman's body for hetero sex.."

In Camile's case, I got the impression that the woman who volunteered for the swap consented to, and was prepped for what was about to happen.

Also there was no uproar over Young using Telford's body for sex.

It was funny, shocking, hot and I'm sure Telford didn't mind one bit.

And honestly I can understand Little Miss Brilliant going for it with Rush.

Hopefully this body-swap technology will allow her to be able to do it some day.

 

[backstept]

They finally answer how everyone has managed basic grooming (they all have electric razors...which I assume will never see their batteries empty or their blades go dull, but, whatever).

charging plates

 

[Star Wolf]

They finally answer how everyone has managed basic grooming (they all have electric razors...which I assume will never see their batteries empty or their blades go dull, but, whatever).

charging plates

I wouldn't say everybody brought a shaver but then we saw "I'm just a cook", Airman Becker serving as barber in this episode.

 

[AJBryant]

On the glasses thing:

Yes, but the writers have been very inconsistent. There have been times when Daniel needed them to see clearly far off things, and there were times he needed them to see clearly things close to him (yeah, bifocals are possible) but there were all those other times when he didn't have access to the glasses and seemed to operate perfectly well at either distance or up close.

It was very inconsistently handled. So much so that it could be argued that the writers screwed up that point of Daniel's vision just like writers screwed up any definitive statement of what deck Kirk's cabin is on, or where the engineering room really is.

They just don't take into account fandom's rabid demand for detail and precision.

 

[Ensign_Redshirt]

The bodyswapping issue was actually adressed in the Kino webisode "We Volunteer To Do This".

People sign legal forms in which they agree to temporarily loan their body for "personal stuff" like "visiting husbands and wives". These forms don't explicitly mention sex, but everybody who participates in the communication stone program seems to be aware of that possibility.

http://stargate.mgm.com/view/character/171/index.html

 

[Yoda]

The bodyswapping issue was actually adressed in the Kino webisode "We Volunteer To Do This".

People sign legal forms in which they agree to temporarily loan their body for "personal stuff" like "visiting husbands and wives". These forms don't explicitly mention sex, but everybody who participates in the communication stone program seems to be aware of that possibility.

http://stargate.mgm.com/view/character/171/index.html

You seem to have linked to a different one. Anyway I dug up the one you were referring to... http://stargate.mgm.com/view/content/2104/index.html

Anyway the webisode isn't making the writing look any more competent in my opinion. Who the hell would sign away their body in such a way? Who in the hell would have sex with some random person's body, even if their loved one was running the show so to speak. Who the hell would have sex with a loved one using someone else's body? Ok, granted, some people would probably be into that sort of thing... but even so, how in the fuck would air force policy condone it, and seemingly encourage it? It's completely absurd.

It doesn't make much sense to use swappy stones for this kind of shore leave. You would think that they'd use it primarily for getting useful people on board Destiny, like miss brilliant, and that on the other end the swapees would be confined to base, and just let them write letters to their loved ones. Even for the ones whose families all apparently have top secret clearance to know that swappy stones and Destiny even exist! The top secret families can come to them!

I mean, it seems like they're trying to be somewhat serious with this show, but it's hard to reconcile with something so nonsensical.

 

[AJBryant]

Who the hell would sign away their body in such a way? Who in the hell would have sex with some random person's body, even if their loved one was running the show so to speak. Who the hell would have sex with a loved one using someone else's body? Ok, granted, some people would probably be into that sort of thing... but even so, how in the fuck would air force policy condone it, and seemingly encourage it? It's completely absurd.

I agree.

"Oh, and honey, next time you visit, could you ask for a redhead? With bigger boobs? Thanks."

or

"You know, this guy is... um... well... Next time you get to use the stones, can you ask for someone who wears size 13 shoes? If you know what I mean..."

I'm waiting for this one:

"Yes, I know you love key lime pie, but we told you Cpl. Danvers is allergic to citrus. Now he's in the hospital. Nice job."

 

[Sean_McCormick]

"Yes, I know you love key lime pie, but we told you Cpl. Danvers is allergic to citrus. Now he's in the hospital. Nice job."

I don't think, Rodney would be willing to take part in this .

 

[Checkmate]

I want to know why they completely abandoned the storyline that was looking into this very topic (ie, with Young, his ex?-wife, and whatshisface).

 

[Kelthaz]

On the glasses thing:

Yes, but the writers have been very inconsistent. There have been times when Daniel needed them to see clearly far off things, and there were times he needed them to see clearly things close to him (yeah, bifocals are possible) but there were all those other times when he didn't have access to the glasses and seemed to operate perfectly well at either distance or up close.

It was very inconsistently handled. So much so that it could be argued that the writers screwed up that point of Daniel's vision just like writers screwed up any definitive statement of what deck Kirk's cabin is on, or where the engineering room really is.

They just don't take into account fandom's rabid demand for detail and precision.

Meh, what are you going to do? I'm still wondering what happened to Daniel's allergies.

 

[The Grim Ghost]

I want to know why they completely abandoned the storyline that was looking into this very topic (ie, with Young, his ex?-wife, and whatshisface).

I'm thinking Lou Diamond Phillips was only set to be in a certain number of episodes. Hopefully they will pick back up on it in season 2.

Talk about your bizarre love Triangles. Young/TJ/Young's wife and Young/Telford/Young's wife... The man is juggling TWO of them!