Star Trek = diversity in casting and appearances, which until the meltdowns and petulance over "woke" used to be something the fandom liked.
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Only the desirable type of diversity.
Right wingers are fine with diversity as long as the show has at least one strong white male character and it's politics are middle of the road. Or done in a subtle way. As long as they feel the show doesn't hate them in essence. Also if it's good. A show being good or bad still carries weight beyond all the outside politics engaged over said show or movie.
I don't care who the lead is.
Really - that's what you consider significant representation?. One actor doing 4 episodes and 2 others doing a single episode each? All playing aliens.
Let's talk about significant recurring or main characters from China or its diaspora then? That's another 1.5 billion or 17%. Bringing us to over 50 percent of the world neglected. Other than Gen Rhys, who do we have? Yet we manage to have 3 from Japan, population 122 million.
Star Trek is not representative.
Representation kind of fell by the wayside in TNG.
No, it's what I call South Asian actors cast as aliens in Star Trek. My original post was about ASIAN actors playing ALIENS. Yeah, I'd call T'Pring a significant reoccurring character. As for folks of Chinese ancestry in significant main roles: Christina Chong as La'An. Michelle Yeoh as Georgiou,
Never said Star Trek was doing a good job at representing Asian people, just that I noticed they were casting more Asian actors as aliens. Which in the past was almost exclusive to Black or White actors.
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An East Asian actress even got to play T'Pau .
Do keep in mind that World War 3 happened.
Totally irrelevant to who is cast in various roles. No one in casting gives a fuck about that.
Oh yeah, usually it would be like this for me as well. However, you have to remember that for this show I’ve been closely following the pre-release hype, monitoring every casting announcement and pouring over every minute behind-the-scenes detail that gets released. Partly this happens automatically because I’m moderating this forum, but also I was just genuinely enthusiastic for this show to come out. So in my mind I’ve known these characters and their performers for longer than just the four episodes that aired so far would make you think.
Mind you, I wouldn’t put meeting Kerrice Brooks or Sandro Rosta on the same level as meeting, say, Kate Mulgrew or Jonathan Frakes. But still I’m very enamoured with the SFA cast and am looking forward to see and hear them in real life. What I can also tell you from meeting people like Tawny Newsome, Melissa Navia and Anson Mount is that meeting them and having a good time meeting them does definitely deepen your appreciation for these people. So even though you might not know and love them as long as you have the folks from classic Trek, you’ll end up loving them just as much.
Ive met or seen the original trek actors. I only got Nichelle Nichols autograph at a star trek convention many years ago. I was a teenager at the time. I brought a nice sketch of her on her original series look. She said "Thats a very nice drawing." I said "yeah" Thanked her and walked away. I was way to nervous to talk to her. Shes was a very nice lady. I had that autograph until 7 years ago when I got divorced. My ex wife probably threw it away. It was the my most prized possession in my whole collection to be honest. Still upset about it to this day.
Have fun at the con Michael.
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That sure sounds like a lot of coddling to ensure their conservative safe space isn’t violated.
That's because lots of them are conservative or at least white and male. Or male of any race for that matter. Also lots of people in this country have simple tastes in the kind of movies and shows they watch. Most tv viewers are Joe Six Pack and Sally Soda. Not exactly cinephiles and the tv version of that.
Which is not meant to sound as snobish as it sounds. Just that people's tastes can be simple and people like what they like and don't want to really be challenged. They just want something to relax to. They gravitate to stuff that is familiar.
Raoul Bhaneja who portrays Kelrec is half sub-continental indian
Garrett Wang tells the story of suggesting the producers feature more Chinese characters, to which the reply was that he filled that gap.
Which was news to him, having always assumed that Harry Kim was a Korean-American.
Probably sums up the nineties attitude, but we can probably do a bit better now.
But equally I don't think Star Trek should belabour 21st century national identities, which may well be redundant or significantly changed by the 32nd century.
Which was news to him, having always assumed that Harry Kim was a Korean-American.
Probably sums up the nineties attitude, but we can probably do a bit better now.
But equally I don't think Star Trek should belabour 21st century national identities, which may well be redundant or significantly changed by the 32nd century.
I think many of the comments on this thread, yours included but not just yours, signify the reason we have a problem. I've raised this before and the response was similar.
Last time people pointed out Oded Fehr and Sid El Fadil.
(1) I am talking about characters, in the main. Imagine if the entire cast were white, someone bemoaned a lack of black characters, and someone else popped up and said "Michael Dorn and Tony Todd -there you go - black". Would that be acceptable?
(2) Michelle Yeoh and Christina Chong - they are not playing explicity Chinese or part-Chinese characters.
(3) It still doesn't sit well when we can manage 2 Kenyan characters in one series, but still, no characters explicity with India, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, or Chinese origin.
(4) T'Pring is in less than 10% of episodes of SNW as far as can be ascertained (unless she emerges again in S4 or 50)
Would you be okay if we had an entirely white cast on that basis.
Honestly, it's quite appalling that there are answers actually gaslighting my pointing out that half the world's population is pretty much unrepresented in clear form.
IDIC and all that.
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Betty Matushika, playing an alien, once in one episode? By the surname, a Japanese actress. How is that in any way an example that fills the gap I am describing?
Im not sure what argument you're coming from here. Its not about a persons politics when it comes to liking or not liking the show. Not even sure why politics are comimg up.
It's not. It's (once again) and example of an Asian playing an Alien. Which was the point of my post and cooleddie's. No one has "gaslit" your point. Or is denying there is a problem in representation for Asian characters.
It's an excuse people like to come up with when a show is failing.
Blame game
White people
Racist
Politics
The Chuds
At the end of the day a show fails for either not being able to find an audience, or just being bad.
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