Picard in the series has no charisma and authority

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Caeruleus, Feb 22, 2023.

  1. Yistaan

    Yistaan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I'm only responding because you quoted and asked me directly but my suggestion was to @Sci only if he found something that broke the rules and I was hedging my bets that maybe I missed something offensive you said and he seemed really emotional and angry about it so I thought I might have missed something rule breaking. As I said in the same comment, I hadn't made the opportunity to go back and review in detail.

    At this point, I feel this is between you two. I'll refrain from interfering further.
     
  2. Pubert

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    Others here are saying he's acting old and that's why he sounds that way. That's not true. He lost his voice years ago. That not a diatribe against aging its just a reality.
     
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    The diatribe comes against heores having to age rather than remain as we would prefer them to be. It's a fascinating example of humanity preferring fantasy over reality, and mad that reality dares to not replicate fantasy.

    From a psychological point of view it is quite understandable, if frustrating, that reality is not so easily accepted.
     
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  4. Mirror Tuvix

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    OK Caeru, I'm making a note. When you turn 96 I'm going to visit you and give you an assessment of your charisma. Clock's ticking.
     
  5. Mirror Tuvix

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    I just wanted to commend you on your excellent username.
     
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  6. Tomalak

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    Perhaps the two things are linked, and six decades of stage work may have taken their toll.
     
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  7. Qonundrum

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    TNG, sure... the movies? He was completely different back then. Indeed, from what I remember of PIC so far, Picard's closer to the '87 original.

    But that's IMHO and YMMV. @Sci had rather the greatest point above in the thread as well...
     
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  8. Pubert

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    He's a bit closer but doesn't gave those cool morality speeches he used to give.
     
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    He's been humbled. He's also 94, and died only to have his consciousness put into a synthetic body.
     
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  10. Sci

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    Star Trek: Picard as a narrative does not subscribe to the Father Knows Best-esque depiction of morality that Star Trek: The Next Generation used. Jean-Luc in this series is not a character who always knows what's right and will lecture you about it. He is, instead, someone who will join with you to discern morality together through dialogue rather than through authoritative lecture.
     
  11. Jayson1

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    Except in season 1 it was everyone lecturing him for being a piece of crap.
     
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  12. ED-209

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    One of the biggest problems I have with Picard is that we're not watching Jean Luc Picard.
     
  13. fireproof78

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    One is definitely more appealing than the other.
     
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  14. Sci

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    Nope. S1 had both Jean-Luc lecturing others and others lecturing him, and both sides being kind-of right and kind-of wrong, until Jean-Luc started having discussions with other people instead of authoritative demands. Then, others reciprocated. Hence the finale -- "That's why we're here: to save each other!" -- where Jean-Luc is bonding with Soji instead of trying to command Soji.

    Nope. We are watching Jean-Luc Picard.
     
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  15. Tomalak

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    I remember when ST: Picard started, someone tried to tell me that it was a legally distinct character because of Secret Hideout's deal, and that everything was an alternate universe. It was at the height of all that 25% different garbage.

    Then the show opened up on the Enterprise-D with Data in his old uniform, and we saw Picard's archive etc. He didn't persist with that argument.
     
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    What, exactly, is the 25%

    Regardless, i hope it's clear now that all of it is supposed to connect. Even the Kelvin films. Hell, we had a cameo of someone from the Kelvin-verse in Discovery.

    Its all canon. All of it. One big, beautiful tapestry. And these arguments aren't anything new. We heard the same arguments going all the way back to movie Kirk vs. television kirk. And does anyone remember the bellyaching from people swearing Generations isn't canon because it killed Kirk via falling off a bridge?

    This is nothing new.
     
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    It was a joke made by Doug Drexler when he showed his initial approved design for the updated 1701 on Star Trek Discovery.

    "...everything new has to be at least 25% different from what came before..."

    And it became something that everyone with an ax to grind on some aspect of Paramount+ Star Trek started to parrot.
     
  18. Tomalak

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    Yeah, I love how Picard made the Hobus supernova integral to the backstory, as it tied the Kelvin films in with the new shows, as well as linking back to TNG with Picard himself.
     
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  19. The Overlord

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    Picard Stewart is 82 years old, it's hard to still be charismatic or commanding when your voice has been weakened by age.
     
  20. DarKush

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    I think Picard is still charismatic and commanding, but in spurts. I think a good deal of that comes down to the writing. Throughout this series' run, they've struggled to make Picard really relevant to the stories they wanted to tell. Season three, thus far, has done the best job, and it was great seeing Picard
    in command in this week's episode
    . I think the second season did the worst job regarding making him relevant, because they spent more time on Adam Soong, genetic experiments, Borgified mercenaries, Agnes's day out, etc., instead of Picard and his ancestor and his role in getting her into space.
     
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