Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Char Kais]

The Star Trek Strange New Worlds season 1 final episode "A Quality of Mercy" (1x10 S01E10) had 440k viewers in Canada.

This is the all-time lowest confirmed viewership for any live-action NuTrek show.

For comparison:

• DIS 1x10 1,211k
• PIC 1x10 1,381k

The Star Trek Strange New Worlds season 1 final had fewer viewers than the Star Trek Lower Decks premier (527k)

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don’t live in Canada

 

[Campe]

Oooh, aaah, Canadian broadcast numbers. Can we see some actual numbers that are going to matter if Paramount is going to change course with Star Trek? Like domestic streaming numbers? Or international streaming numbers? Oh wait, no. We can’t. Because streamers don’t release that information.

So, instead let’s just keep spitting into the wind. Because that’s fun.

 

[cooleddie74]

This will be of use when I travel back in time to 1980s Canada to warn them about new Star Trek that will be coming over the next three and a half decades.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

This is the all-time lowest confirmed viewership for any live-action NuTrek show.

... in Canada.

The Star Trek Strange New Worlds season 1 final had fewer viewers than the Star Trek Lower Decks premier (527k)

 

[Tuskin38]

Can the admins just change their username to Mr. Pointless Numbers.

 

[Char Kais]

Can we see some actual numbers that are going to matter if Paramount is going to change course with Star Trek? Like domestic streaming numbers? Or international streaming numbers? Oh wait, no. We can’t. Because streamers don’t release that information.

That's wrong.

Amazon, Disney, Hulu, Netflix, Apple, and HBO, are cooperating with Nielsen and sending their data to them.
Who is missing? Paramount.
It's not my fault that Paramount is hiding their numbers.

https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/top-ten/

And Netflix releases its own weekly charts with "hours viewed".

https://top10.netflix.com/

Because Paramount is not releasing their numbers, you need to do some correlation yourself:
In the Nielsen charts from June 13-19, 2022, Obi-Wan Kenobi is on rank 4 (733 million hours viewed) and Ms. Marvel dropped out of the Top 10 (249 million hours viewed the previous week).

 

[Mr Awe]

I've enjoyed the ten episodes of Season 1... but it's been a mixed bag still. Several very good episodes, a couple of disappointing ones, the rest is good... but still I can't quite get excited by it, despite liking all the characters and the excellent design work done on the show. Don't know why yet. So far, it's not a BluRay purchase for me.

I think your summary of it matches mine. I'd say it was mostly good. A few disappointments. No episodes were "classics" in my view, but the Gorn episode near the end came closest. I do love the characters.

They have a solid foundation to build on. If SNW follows the typical ST pattern where the first season isn't the best, then we might be heading towards something truly great. At least I'm hoping. Even if the next season remains at the quality of the first season, we'll still have good solid entertainment at least.

 

[Mr Awe]

The Spock/Chapel interactions. Not sure how theyll explain in canon but its possible as Spock got more control over his emotions he started to focus on career only and left tpring hanging one time too mamy and started to move away from chapels friendship or they were still friends but we didnt see it.

I think you're on the right track. We're seeing how he's having a difficult time controlling his anger now. He might need to clamp down on his emotions more than he is now. Also, having the entire crew know about his failing relationship with T'Pring might be embarrassing and he'll want to refrain from revealing too much to others down the road.

They're planting those seeds now and I'm sure there's more to come. Pretty sure they'll find a good way to mesh with TOS by the time SNW finishes.

 

[Mr Awe]

PIke's concern with his fate doesn't seem unhealthy. It's pretty natural, really, and he got over his concern on his own behalf pretty quickly. Lately he's worried about other people, which is suitably responsible.

That was an aspect I really appreciated about Quality of Mercy. Before this episode, Pike had, or at least mostly, gotten past his own fate. He knew had made a bargain that couldn't be altered and came to terms with his decision. Sure, he had natural qualms about it. But he accepted it.

However, when he came face to face with someone who wouldn't survive the accident, he started to actively think about how to save that person. That morphed into saving everyone, including himself. A very natural progression.

His focus wasn't on saving himself so much as others, which is totally fitting for his character.

 

[Campe]

That's wrong.

Amazon, Disney, Hulu, Netflix, Apple, and HBO, are cooperating with Nielsen and sending their data to them.

I actually did some research after my post, realized I was incorrect and meant to go back and correct myself. As seems to happen more often than not these days, real life got in the way. Apologies for getting my facts incorrect.

It's not my fault that Paramount is hiding their numbers.

Did I say it’s your fault?

You are still not getting an accurate picture and I refuse to do any correlation based upon incomplete data. It will lead nowhere as different countries have different tastes in their programming interests.

 

[fireproof78]

It's not my fault that Paramount is hiding their numbers

It's no one's fault.

It also makes any suppositions pointless.

You are still not getting an accurate picture and I refuse to do any correlation based upon incomplete data. It will lead nowhere as different countries have different tastes in their programming interests.

Exactly. The data will be taken and skewed to support personal preference. Why anyone gives a shit about Paramount's numbers that isn't working directly for the company is beyond me.

 

[The Wormhole]

That's wrong.

Amazon, Disney, Hulu, Netflix, Apple, and HBO, are cooperating with Nielsen and sending their data to them.
Who is missing? Paramount.
It's not my fault that Paramount is hiding their numbers.

https://www.nielsen.com/us/en/top-ten/

And Netflix releases its own weekly charts with "hours viewed".

https://top10.netflix.com/

Because Paramount is not releasing their numbers, you need to do some correlation yourself:
In the Nielsen charts from June 13-19, 2022, Obi-Wan Kenobi is on rank 4 (733 million hours viewed) and Ms. Marvel dropped out of the Top 10 (249 million hours viewed the previous week).

My word, you sure do expend an awful lot of effort on a show you claim to hate. How can that be in any way fulfilling for you?

 

[Campe]

Some people just want to see the streaming services burn.

 

[The Wormhole]

I can think of far more effective ways to "see a streaming service burn" which don't involve subscribing to the service (thus giving them money) and creating complex charts and graphs about them and their shows, so scouring shows I "hate" to grab screencaps that illustrate a point I want to make on an internet forum.

But that's none of my business.

 

[Mudd]

Char doesn't seem to have any idea how the streaming business works.

I mean, you can find oodles of clickbaiters on YouTube who spin this kind of conspiracy nonsense to angry people who Want To Believe that something important is being hidden from them by some organization or another.

Here's a place for Char to start, if they really want to understand: Netflix, Hulu, Paramount+, Disney+...their numbers are none of your business. They don't need to disclose this kind of thing to anyone so for the most part, they do not.

Because - wait for it - they're not selling their audience to a third party. This isn't a sponsor-supported business model in the way that broadcast is.

I think that Char needs to go do some actual research into how this works, rather than scraping numbers that are supposed to impress people. As it is, he has no credible argument and there's no reason to take his claims seriously. Because as it is, his posts are just cries of "conspiracy!" and most bright folks just aren't suckered by that.

 

[Campe]

I can think of far more effective ways to "see a streaming service burn" which don't involve subscribing to the service (thus giving them money) and creating complex charts and graphs about them and their shows, so scouring shows I "hate" to grab screencaps that illustrate a point I want to make on an internet forum.

But that's none of my business.

Twas a joke.

But a fair point.

 

[The Wormhole]

Twas a joke.

Oh, I know. My response was also meant to be jocular in nature, hence the "But that's none of my business" sentence at the end.

I was too lazy to track down a Kermit the Frog meme.

 

[Campe]

Char doesn't seem to have any idea how the streaming business works.

I mean, you can find oodles of clickbaiters on YouTube who spin this kind of conspiracy nonsense to angry people who Want To Believe that something important is being hidden from them by some organization or another.

Here's a place for Char to start, if they really want to understand: Netflix, Hulu, Paramount+, Disney+...their numbers are none of your business. They don't need to disclose this kind of thing to anyone so for the most part, they do not.

Because - wait for it - they're not selling their audience to a third party. This isn't a sponsor-supported business model in the way that broadcast is.

I think that Char needs to go do some actual research into how this works, rather than scraping numbers that are supposed to impress people. As it is, he has no credible argument and there's no reason to take his claims seriously. Because as it is, his posts are just cries of "conspiracy!" and most folks don't just suckered by that.

A good point. Both the pandemic shrinking most theatrical windows to 45 days and the rise of the streaming service has changed the entertainment model so much, any analysis of the entertainment industry using models from even 2019 is woefully inadequate.

 

[fireproof78]

Here's a place for Char to start, if they really want to understand: Netflix, Hulu, Paramount+, Disney+...their numbers are none of your business. They don't need to disclose this kind of thing to anyone so for the most part, they do not.

Exactly. Numbers don't impact my enjoyment...ever.