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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

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I see no one was able to show a canon source that supports their opinions that Vulcans, generally, do it all the time.
I'm curious why people still choose to believe this in the absence of any canonical evidence for it and the presence of canonical evidence against it. It's like saying all Enterprises generally have 4 warp nacelles :D
SNW seems pretty canon to me.
 
I must admit I'm having a bit of a hard time with T'Pring and Spock having such a close and involved relationship at all between the time of the "less than a marriage but more than a betrothal" when they were seven years old, and the time of the koon-ut-kal-if-fee (or however that's spelled). It's the only thing about this series that nags at me. But I'm just trying to smile and nod and roll with it. Maybe something will happen that causes it to cool off and Spock focuses more on duty while T'Pring stays close to home for Vulcan matters, so then they don't see each other again for years.

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I operate under the assumption that this is an altered timeline and probably one that has been tinkered with multiple times.
 
Issues with inconsistent time delayed communications? It's called artistic license. You can't have complete realism in a TV show. If you wanted that, the episode would be 6 days long. Nobody wants to sit in front of a TV for 144 hours, waiting 2 days for the message to get to star fleet, then 2 days back to Enterprise, then a day or two of the show's main activity. Ever play an authentic flight simulator? Where you have to power up individual systems, clear with the tower, etc before you even takeoff? Boring! Today's world is too instant gratification needed for that. I once watched an entire season of 24 in one sitting. Highly not recommended.
Because of time delay, isn't that why we grant StarShip Captains leeway to make important decisions on their own?

Spock is half human. That is bound to have some impact on sexual libido.

Plus there is a difference between the urge and imperative, and recreational.
So Spock could have normal human horniness levels + Extra Horniness levels when Ponn Farr comes around?
 
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I see no one was able to show a canon source that supports their opinions that Vulcans, generally, do it all the time.
I'm curious why people still choose to believe this in the absence of any canonical evidence for it and the presence of canonical evidence against it.
SNW is canon, so there is canon evidence. There's also no canon evidence against it.

I operate under the assumption that this is an altered timeline and probably one that has been tinkered with multiple times.
Well, you'd be wrong.
 
Sorry. If you (et al) want to be he/him or she/her or he/she, or him/her, I will refer to you as such. But I will not call any person a "they/them". Those two words are plural, not singular. You (et al) are one person, not a group.

I'll admit it. I never used those words in that way my whole life. This is a brand new use. I wish someone would come up with something different. It doesn't sound right and it's a bit confusing and difficult to use it in a sentence correctly and not slip up the they or them.

How about we all just spell it differently and pronounce it in a similar phoenetic way.

Then everybody can be happy and we can all get along.

Instead of spelling it as "they/them", we can spell it as "dey/dem" but pronounce it in a similar phonetic way.

It wouldn't be the first time in the English Language that we have multiple words with similar phonetic pronounciation but different spellings with different meanings.

Problem solved.
 
Instead of spelling it as "they/them", we can spell it as "dey/dem" but pronounce it in a similar phonetic way.
Oh, so that's what happened to Adira in the German translation! I just thought someone had a really hard time pronouncing "th". :D
 
I see no one was able to show a canon source that supports their opinions that Vulcans, generally, do it all the time.
I'm curious why people still choose to believe this in the absence of any canonical evidence for it and the presence of canonical evidence against it. It's like saying all Enterprises generally have 4 warp nacelles :D

Conversely, there is no canon source that says they don't. But now, SNW makes it canon. And it is NOT a different timeline as someone else suggested.
 
I see no one was able to show a canon source that supports their opinions that Vulcans, generally, do it all the time.
I'm curious why people still choose to believe this in the absence of any canonical evidence for it and the presence of canonical evidence against it. It's like saying all Enterprises generally have 4 warp nacelles :D

Read this. DC Fontana was the story editor for TOS. Also STE is canon and Tpol was getting busy with Tucker constantly.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pon_farr
 
I see no one was able to show a canon source that supports their opinions that Vulcans, generally, do it all the time.

Saying that Vulcans in a relationship can be sexually intimate with one-another outside of pon farr is not the same thing as saying that Vulcans "generally do it all the time."

In any event, ENT "Harbinger" established that Vulcans can have sex outside of pon farr almost 20 years ago, and ENT "Bound" established that Vulcans in a relationship kiss and engage in other physical demonstrations of affection. SNW is exploring the idea of Vulcans in a romantic relationship more thoroughly than ENT did, but it is not breaking new ground.

I'm curious why people still choose to believe this in the absence of any canonical evidence for it and the presence of canonical evidence against it.

There is no canonical evidence against the idea that Vulcans can have sex outside of pon farr.
 
I see no one was able to show a canon source that supports their opinions that Vulcans, generally, do it all the time.
O rly?
I pointed out that Trip and T'Pol were engaged in non-Ponn Farr sexual relations in Enterprise's third season here:
Huh. And to think, I remember a time when everyone complained Enterprise was the show that was thoughtlessly violating canon. And now people are accusing other shows of violating canon as laid down by Enterprise. What a world.

Regardless, even Enterprise itself disregarded that scene, when Trip and T'Pol began sexual relations in the third season.
While Pubert referenced what DC Fontana has said on the matter and also referenced T'Pol and Trip's relationship here:
Here read this. DC Fontana was story editor for TOS. Also how do you explain Tpol. Case should be closed after this.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pon_farr
 
Which thirtysomething actor has the gravitas to pull off a younger Laurence Luckinbill? Cast them.
 
O rly?
I pointed out that Trip and T'Pol were engaged in non-Ponn Farr sexual relations in Enterprise's third season here:

While Pubert referenced what DC Fontana has said on the matter and also referenced T'Pol and Trip's relationship here:
look up trellium and what t'pol did with it - and it to her ;)
so clearly not a valid example for general vulcan behavior.

SNW is canon, so there is canon evidence. There's also no canon evidence against it.
SNW seems pretty canon to me.
simply answer this: how many vulcans did snw show so far, and what is their explicitly stated situation?
canon evidence against it (from the scripts) was posted earlier. want me to post it again?
 
look up trellium and what t'pol did with it - and it to her ;)
so clearly not a valid example for general vulcan behavior.



simply answer this: how many vulcans did snw show so far, and what is their explicitly stated situation?
canon evidence against it (from the scripts) was posted earlier. want me to post it again?
Seems that common sense alone would disprove that Vulcan's only mate every seven years.
Not exactly a reasonable way to proliferate a species.

Biologically speaking, that's a dead-end route to extinction.

Ponn Farr is more likely a means to insure that a Vulcan DOES Mate Eventually, not limit any or all sexual interactions.

It would seem that TOS Spock was avoiding his natural mating urges for far to long being in Star Fleet and it eventually caught up with him.
And that could reasonably have resulted from his earlier difficult relationship with T'Pring.
(which we are seeing now in SNW)
 
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look up trellium and what t'pol did with it - and it to her ;)
so clearly not a valid example for general vulcan behavior.

Nothing in ENT S3 established that sex outside of pon farr was a symptom of Trellium-D usage. T'Pol having difficulty suppressing her emotions is not the same thing. It is entirely plausible -- in fact, it is far more realistic -- to assume that Vulcans do, indeed, have sex outside of pon farr when they are with someone whom they trust, and that the symptom of Trellium-D usage was T'Pol having trouble suppressing her feelings for Trip, not T'Pol choosing to have sex per se.

simply answer this: how many vulcans did snw show so far, and what is their explicitly stated situation?

So far, SNW has, that I can recall, depicting Spock; T'Pring; the waiter at the restaurant where T'Pring proposed to Spock; a number of T'Pring's subordinates at her job; a number of incarcerated Vulcans undergoing rehabilitation; the V'tosh ka'tur whom Spock apprehended while in T'Pring's body; Stonn; and Sybok.

Of these Vulcans, we only have information about the sex lives of Spock, T'Pring, and Sybok. Spock and T'Pring appear to be in a committed monogamous relationship and are engaged to marry, and we know that they regularly engage in sexual intimacy. We have also learned that Sybok was apparently in a relationship with Angel, implying that they were likely sexually intimate at least once.

Also:

You gonna explain to me how it is Sarek's marriages to Amanda and to Perrin survived without non-pon farr sexual intimacy? C'mon, man. Even if you can buy the idea that an entire species only has sex every seven years or so, are you really gonna tell me two different Human women stayed married to Sarek when he would be unable or unwilling to express sexual intimacy except every seven years?
 
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