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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x07 - "The Serene Squall"

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Issues with inconsistent time delayed communications? It's called artistic license. You can't have complete realism in a TV show. If you wanted that, the episode would be 6 days long. Nobody wants to sit in front of a TV for 144 hours, waiting 2 days for the message to get to star fleet, then 2 days back to Enterprise, then a day or two of the show's main activity. Ever play an authentic flight simulator? Where you have to power up individual systems, clear with the tower, etc before you even takeoff? Boring! Today's world is too instant gratification needed for that. I once watched an entire season of 24 in one sitting. Highly not recommended.
 
Voodoowoman2 said:
Korby having possibly been married when he and Chapel started their relationship is interesting. I saw a post by a writer on Twitter. Korby is definitely on the way in this series. Wondering if there is a real woman named "Andrea" he knows and fantasizes about or took with him on the expedtition. Then he copies her.
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That would be an interesting swerve- one I'd never considered before. It would knock my opinion of Chapel down a notch, especially given her acerbic reaction to Andrea in TOS. Maybe she was already familiar with that side of his personality (if he'll cheat with you, he'll cheat on you.) I was always under the impression that the Andrea android was one of the originals (the old ones), like Rok, but maybe not- after all, she was completely human in appearance, unlike Rok.

The Korby-Chapel dynamic will be an interesting one, when it happens.

I'm going to have to go back and look for this T'Pring 'smirk.' I totally missed it the first time. I'm not overly fond of how much show time they are taking up with Spock and T'Pring- she's darn near a show regular at this point, showing up more often than Hemmer. Less would have been far more here, IMO- if this show is going to run multiple seasons, this should have been handled as a long, slow burn to pain and perdition.
 
Just saw it. Wow. That was a very boring outing with some painful writing and plotting. Angel's flip into camp overacting mode landed like a thud.

This can take a seat beside The Outrageous Okona and Stardust City Rag on the Shitty Space Pirate Episode bench. At least we were spared Joe Piscapo.
 
Therin of Andor said:
In the "Crucible" trilogy, we learn about Alexandra Tremontaine, a female Human ambassador who worked with the Federation's Bureau of Interplanetary Affairs. She married Ambassador Spock in the 2310s. She bore a resemblance to Droxine from Stratos. ["Spock: The Fire and the Rose".]
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All sorts of possible futures for Spock. He married Saavik in the series by Josepha Sherman and Susan Schwartz.
 
I've decided that Spock got married to Chapel in 2070 and they simply never mentioned it in the movies.

Strange New Worlds could easily do a timeskip that fills in blanks.

Also, cishet people are really showing their asses here by thinking Angel and their big, queer energy was uncalled for. Keitel's performance is a celebration of queerness and a middle finger to cishet expectations.
 
UssGlenn said:
Star Trek V makes no mention of Sarek's marital status. Fans filled in the blanks.
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In my head canon he was married to a Vulcan princess before Amanda and when the former died and he remarried Sybok joined the family. But an out-of-wedlock birth also fits.
 
E-DUB said:
I think that the whole "Uhura came in under Kirk" belief grows out of the fact she wasn't in the second pilot (or the first, for that matter), the communications role being filled by Lloyd Haynes character, Alden. If Uhura were a crew member at either of those points, her absence warrants explanation.
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Really? Because she's not in one episode her absence requires explanation? Lieutenant Uhura was not on duty during the events in TOS S2 The Doomsday Machine (Lieutenant Palmer was on duty in that episode), so one could assume she wasn't on duty during the events depicted in TOS S1 Where No Man Has Gone Before <-- even though in the actual series run it was the third episode aired. ;)

So yeah the fact that uhura wasn't on duty during the events of a few episodes requires no real explanation at all.:shrug:;)
 
Serveaux said:
No, it doesn't.

Aside from that, it would be an evolutionary dead-end. Everything else on the planet would have out-competed Spock's species on the most fundamental level ages ago. :lol:
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I'm sure they could have found a logical, scientific solution to the problem. They seem to be a fairly intelligent species. :)
 
JulieYBM said:
I've decided that Spock got married to Chapel in 2070 and they simply never mentioned it in the movies.

Strange New Worlds could easily do a timeskip that fills in blanks.

Also, cishet people are really showing their asses here by thinking Angel and their big, queer energy was uncalled for. Keitel's performance is a celebration of queerness and a middle finger to cishet expectations.
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Or it was just shitty over the top acting.

Honestly, a whole thing with their gender identity went right by me. I must've missed it in the dialogue (or just didn't care), and I only learned about it reading this thread. At no point did I get the impression there was a release of "big queer energy." Just scenery chewing.

This episode was a mishmash of tones. I didn't find it to be their best.
 
I haven't scratched much of the novel verse beyond what was published through about 1995 or so, but I've always warmed to the idea that Spock eventually ended up marrying Saavik. It seemed...logical, to me. ;) :vulcan:
 
Ssosmcin said:
Or it was just shitty over the top acting.

Honestly, a whole thing with their gender identity went right by me. I must've missed it in the dialogue (or just didn't care), and I only learned about it reading this thread. At no point did I get the impression there was a release of "big queer energy." Just scenery chewing.

This episode was a mishmash of tones. I didn't find it to be their best.
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No, you just don't care. You're not invested in the queer community and do not care about our victories.
 
Noname Given said:
Really? Because she's not in one episode her absence requires explanation? Lieutenant Uhura was not on duty during the events in TOS S2 The Doomsday Machine (Lieutenant Palmer was on duty in that episode), so one could assume she wasn't on duty during the events depicted in TOS S1 Where No Man Has Gone Before <-- even though in the actual series run it was the third episode aired. ;)

So yeah the fact that uhura wasn't on duty during the events of a few episodes requires no real explanation at all.:shrug:;)
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Well, it wasn't "one" episode we're talking about it's two. And not just any two episodes, but the only appearance of Pike (in TOS) and the first appearance of Kirk. Her absence in "Doomsday" isn't really relevant here because she had appearances both before and after. If one thing is clear it that Uhura has a heck of a work ethic. She shows up for work a week after having her memory wiped clean.

Look, I'm not even saying that I believe she had to have started under Kirk, merely that those who do say so have more than adequate justification for doing so and should not be dismissed as using "headcanon". (Not sure if that was you who did that, but somebody did upthread.)
 
JulieYBM said:
No, you just don't care. You're not invested in the queer community and do not care about our victories.
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Oh please, I've had the queer community in my life for decades, so I do appreciate your victories, but this one just didn't register with me. I probably wasn't paying attention which is why the detail slipped by me but it wouldn't have changed my opinion of their performance. You're seeing it with a different pair of eyes and I am, so you feel differently. That's fair.

Get the chip off your shoulder, not every CIS gender person is dismissive or hostile. I have great admiration for the non-straight community and am happy for the representation they're finally getting. I did theater for years and you can't do NY theater without large LGBT involvement. Sweetest, funniest and toughest people I've ever met.

And they all gave better performances than what I saw in the last half of this episode
 
I thought Keitel's performance was that of a person told that they no longer had to be bound society's ideas of morality, probably by Sybok, and they decided to be a bad person who takes pleasure in their badness. It's like watching Emperor Palpatine for the first time again.
 
E-DUB said:
Well, it wasn't "one" episode we're talking about it's two. And not just any two episodes, but the only appearance of Pike (in TOS) and the first appearance of Kirk. Her absence in "Doomsday" isn't really relevant here because she had appearances both before and after. If one thing is clear it that Uhura has a heck of a work ethic. She shows up for work a week after having her memory wiped clean.

Look, I'm not even saying that I believe she had to have started under Kirk, merely that those who do say so have more than adequate justification for doing so and should not be dismissed as using "headcanon". (Not sure if that was you who did that, but somebody did upthread.)
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Her absence in the original pilot is a non-starter for your argument. The Cage takes place in 2254, 5 years prior to the opening episode of SNW where is introduced as a fresh space cadet on her first deep-space assignment.

And as a matter of fact Uhura was replaced by Lieutenant Palmer twice, and in the final aired TOS episode there is a redheaded Communications officer at her Communications console.

Oh yeah sorry no explanation needed here. Uhura was obviously not on duty when she failed to appear in any TOS era episode weirdest
 
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