That’s true of McCoy and his father (TSFS, TFF) and Kirk and Sam (prompting his android in WALGMO; OA). Going by dialog alone, McCoy was not of woman born and Kirk had no parents at all.
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Well, Kirk's dad is Thor, so not human parents
And his grandparents are Snow White and Prince Charming.Well, Kirk's dad is Thor, so not human parents
Season 2: "Your family is THIS important that T'Pau would show up for your ceremony?"
Season 2: "Your father is THAT Ambassador Sarek?"
TFF: "You have a half-brother?"
TUC post-credits deleted scene: "Before we retire I'd like to know why you never talk about your family. Dude."
My brother is a nutcase. My sister is classified. And my dad is kind of a dick.
Point taken.
There is nothing about Michael being Spock’s sister that is at all far fetched, or ridiculous. There is nothing about her that makes her any more unnecessary than any other Star Trek character, something that is just patently presposterous to say.
Spock having an unrevealed relative he never mentioned before we see them onscreen is 100% in character. And Sarek, who married two humans and has a Vulcan/human son, adopting a human child isn’t the slightest bit ridiculous, illogical, or far fetched, it would be again, wholly consistent with his character.
Michael being Spock’s sister doesn’t contradict anything, or strain logic or believability at all, without applying a standard that ignores literally every instance of Spock’s family and past that has ever come up in the history of Star Trek.
Keep the Burnham hatred to the Disco forum where it at least has some relevance on account of her being the main character of the show that forum is dedicated to. Leave it out of the SNW forum.
One of several issues with prequels in general.
Only because of Sybok, an equally silly reveal. They just wanted a Spock connection, in both cases, that clashed with -- but did not contradict -- established lore.
I think we should be allowed to make parallels with other shows and Trek series, really. Otherwise it needlessly limits the conversation.
At best it clashed with some BTS comments and fan supposition,.
Sybok, and Sarek and Amanda, and T’Pring. It isn’t an outlier, it’s the standard for his behavior.
Exactly, there is nothing it clashes with onscreen.
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Which is what SNW will do constantly.
Good.
Michael Burnham being Spock's sister is farfetched. We knew more about Spock's family than any other character's family in TOS. Kirk talks about Spock's father being an ambassador and mother being a teacher in This Side of Paradise. McCoy knew that Spock's family was important, but not how important in Amok Time. We knew that Vulcan marriages are arranged in childhood which makes Sybok's reveal in ST5 logical. Hell, we even knew that Spock had a childhood pet. Spock having a human sister that went to the academy, was in Star Fleet, and led a mutiny would have known as well even with the order not to discuss Discovery. In my opinion, they did Michael's character a disservice by connecting her to Spock in this fashion. She could have been a human that grew up on Vulcan that Sarek took an interest in. One secret sibling was enough.
Michael Burnham is the best thing to happen to the Spock character since the Genesis wave.
Wait, how? Both are secrets Spock chose not to reveal even with his closest friends.
Well said.
And this is the problem when you dont have great writers. they cannot let the new characters stand on their own and it does worry me, the are the same people behind strange new worlds.
michael could have been a nobody, the same way rey from star wars could have been a nobody. heck, it would have worked way better than Rey from star wars if michael was just a brand new character with no ties to anyone important from star trek.
honestly i can barely watch the first two seasons of discovery anymore because it is just so cringe to see Michael act or be so super-important to spock and the sarek family.
Be that as it may, strange new worlds wont be as ridiculously far fetched thanks to TOS and the Kelvin Timeline.
You need to re-watch those episodes my friend. In "This Side Of Paradise", it's Spock who talks about his mother and father in response to a taunt by Kirk in the transporter room as he's trying to free Spock of the Spore influence.
In "Amok Time", it's Kirk (not McCoy), who recognizes T'Pau, and informs McCoy about her history; and they're both surprised because it's yes neither one knew Spock's family was "...this important..."
So yeah if your knowledge of TOS cannon is this inaccurate, you're not doing your position any favors.
As for Vulcan marriages being arranged, it doesn't make Sybok's existence illogical (as he was the product of Sarek's earlier marriage to a Vulcan princess) it actually makes Spock's existence illogical why would any Vulcan family arrange a marriage between a Vulcan and a Human?
So yeah as as far as your arguments, they make no logical sense.
I completely agree. I was about to respond with pretty much what you just wrote.
Yes, because no one has ever had super secret people in their past to be dramatically revealed later.
You're confusing what we know, with what the characters know.
No, Spock tells Kirk that his mother was a teacher and his father an ambassador. There's no indication that Kirk knew this. And he seems to forget by the time of Journey to Babel
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No, he didn't
Gee, another thing Spock failed to mention.Amok Time said:
Both of which first come up in the episodes they were introduced and everyone is surprised at the information.
Who's to say it wasn't? Especially after they find out Spock's father is Sarek.
Secret from who? Us? Everything's a "secret" from the audience until it hits the screen. A secret from the other characters? Not really. It's not like Spock was hiding these things from his crewmates.
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