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Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

Anyway, on about SNW. I continue to hope it'll be more episodic than DSC. Has there been any information about the format?
Other than what has been shared that it will be more episodic stories, but serialized character development that's about it.
 
Anyway, on about SNW. I continue to hope it'll be more episodic than DSC. Has there been any information about the format?
It's been touted as being heavily episodic since it was announced. Though with character arcs running through.
 
So, one thing I already know that I am going to dislike about this show is how Spock, Uhura, Chapel are the only 3 main characters we see in TOS. And it is obvious in strange new worlds, Spock would have lots of interaction, friendship and maybe even a one off romance thing with at least one of them or maybe both, but somehow when TOS happens. Spock barely interacts with them, instead he, McCoy and Kirk are all stuck together like the 3 Musketeers.

This kind of inconsistency has always irked me about prequels story and I am guessing we are about to see this in some of the worst ways in strange new worlds, giving the fact that Alex Kurtzman and his team. judging from star trek discovery are not the greatest of writers not to mention just how terrible and poorly characterized Michael Burnham is as a character. The sister Spock never told us about. Also the child who was more important to Sarek than his own biological sons.:vulcan:
Your own rant basically destroys your point. Spock NEVER talks bout his family in advance. This is ABSOLUTELY in character for Spock has he has been portrayed from early in TOS through to The Final Frontier. Using that to highlight you point is utterly ridiculous.

Now I can't rationally make any judgment about what will or won't happen between characters. I'm not prescient. But we do see in early TOS that Spock takes Uhura's teasing in stride and joins her in her musical interlude. You could even make the point that them having a longer working relationship makes that scene more believable. Then you have Chapel, and from the very early aspects of it its clear they have feelings towards each other, that seem to be more then just work related. That certainly indicates something has made these characters get a read towards each other at an earlier time. Why that couldn't be because they have interacted more than what fans would have initially thought, baffles me.

Do you have a gauge that says hey this characters have an attraction towards each other. That means they could have only had interactions going back a year and a half......

I would suspect that Spock (if we are using The Cage's less stoic performance, versus his later characterization) was a little more open to expressing his emotional side in his earlier years, then how we saw him for the most part during TOS. Using that as model, there is ever reason that Spock could be closer to earlier colleagues in general, then how he would later run his life. Not to mention that has he becomes first officer I wouldn't be surprised to find the character thinking that he would need to keep a more personal distance from junior officers or those he had more working friendships to avoid the perception of favoritism. That's seems rather logical and rational to me.

Also I simply don't recall Sarek ever stating that Michael was more important to him, then either of his sons. What line of dialogue did I miss?
 
okay.

I get it, you are a discovery fan and no offence all your replies to me, I am beginning to find it quite condensing and sarcastic. Maybe it just my own POV but that is what I am getting and I dont like to put people on ignore, however I may have no choice here.

Discovery is just a bad show, it is poorly written front and back that can be proven on many objective tv writing grounds, especially when you compare it to a show like TNG, one of the most compelling and intellectual sci-fi shows of all time and the michael story is a big contributing factor to the poor quality of discovery because her character breaks so many grounds of the trek universe that weakens the story telling and even the lore of star trek. I have watched star trek for decades and the lore has never made anyone so centre of the universe as they do with Michael supported by CW level writing plot.

The sarcasm replies, only heightened my trust that discovery is terrible since that is the way bad shows are usually defended because there is no substance to defend with. I just hope Strange new worlds can be better and watchable enough since it has many familiar faces in main roles including very iconic characters like Uhura and Spock.

You seem have a very selective memory of TNG. Because I loved the intelligently crafted episode like Code of Honor, Angel One and Justice (I do love TNG but there are enough poor to bad episodes in my opinion to fill 3 full seasons)

Just to be clear, I don't thank Discovery or Picard have produced a single episode as bad as the very worst episodes from TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT. In my mind its not even close. If I rank the worst 50 episodes of Trek (live action) Discovery and Picard are the only two series that don't get an entry (though one from Picard gets close).

But on the flip side. I also thank the best episode of Picard and Discovery haven't reached the heights of the very best episodes of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT. And the reverse If I do a ranking of my top 50 episodes of live action Trek, Discovery and Picard don't make a single entry (if I expand to 60 one from each make it).

I find Discovery (and Picard to a lesser degree) tend to fall in the poor to pretty good range. I find them probably the most consistent quality wise. And just so you know I don't consider that necessarily a good thing.

Generally a Great episode makes me far more willing to put up with a really awful episode.
 
The John Eaves straight pylon and TOS hull color version of the Enterprise looks so good. I wish it's what we were getting even now(except for the row of illumination lights on the upper hull of the saucer, those needed to go in any iteration).

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That is the way it should look, a believable precursor to what comes later.
 
Just to be clear, I don't thank Discovery or Picard have produced a single episode as bad as the very worst episodes from TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT. In my mind its not even close. If I rank the worst 50 episodes of Trek (live action) Discovery and Picard are the only two series that don't get an entry (though one from Picard gets close).

But on the flip side. I also thank the best episode of Picard and Discovery haven't reached the heights of the very best episodes of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT. And the reverse If I do a ranking of my top 50 episodes of live action Trek, Discovery and Picard don't make a single entry (if I expand to 60 one from each make it).

I find Discovery (and Picard to a lesser degree) tend to fall in the poor to pretty good range. I find them probably the most consistent quality wise. And just so you know I don't consider that necessarily a good thing.

Generally a Great episode makes me far more willing to put up with a really awful episode.

100% agree with all of that.

DSC ships are badass, save for the Crossfield class. The rest I prefer even more than most of the 25th century. Second favorite era.

My favourite era is the TMP one but yeah, DSC has provided us with awesome Federation ships. I'll second that "second favourite era" vote.
 
Hey, everyone's bothered by something or other. I'd love to be able to not care about that scene in TNG where the guest star is holding the tricorder upside down. For pete's sake, talk about unimportant!
IIRC, M'Benga holds the scanner upside down here as well :D
Maybe the screen automatically rotates to match the way it's held.
The problem is that they're scanning themselves instead of the cave or the patient ;)
That's why McCoy took over: M'Benga always said his patients were fine when they were not :D
 
I always look at Kirk's line at the end of TFF as a winking reference to Sam but then he surprises the audience by saying he's referring to Spock. I doubt Shatner and Bennett forgot Kirk had an older brother who died a tragic death in TOS. That episode was well-known.
IIRC, the novelization of TFF had that line as a direct reference to Sam. The dialogue in the movie made it seem like he was talking about Spock.
 
I've connected it to Sam since the first time I watched the film. If the novelization included that context then that's good enough for me.
 
But that doesn't count as revealing a family member, which is what's being discussed.

I don’t agree with that assessment at all. Kirk is surprised to learn Sarek and Amanda are Spock’s parents when he’s standing in front of all three, it was a reveal of both his parents’ identities, and is part of a pattern of behavior where details about Spock’s family and history have consistently been portrayed as surprising to his shipmates on the Enterprise.
 
I don’t agree with that assessment at all. Kirk is surprised to learn Sarek and Amanda are Spock’s parents when he’s standing in front of all three, it was a reveal of both his parents’ identities, and is part of a pattern of behavior where details about Spock’s family and history have consistently been portrayed as surprising to his shipmates on the Enterprise.
Seriously, exactly. From http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/44.htm:

KIRK: Our pleasure, madam. As soon as you're settled I'll arrange a tour of the ship. Mister Spock will conduct you.
SAREK: I'd prefer another guide, Captain.
KIRK: As you wish, Ambassador. Mister Spock, we'll leave orbit in two hours. Would you care to beam down and visit your parents?
SPOCK: Captain, Ambassador Sarek and his wife are my parents.​

Oh, by the way, I neglected to mention, the Ambassador who we just made a special trip to pick up? He's my dad. And his wife? She's my mom. As a matter of fact, I don't need to beam down to visit my parents at all, because they happen to be standing right here! :lol:
 
Seriously, exactly. From http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek/44.htm:

KIRK: Our pleasure, madam. As soon as you're settled I'll arrange a tour of the ship. Mister Spock will conduct you.
SAREK: I'd prefer another guide, Captain.
KIRK: As you wish, Ambassador. Mister Spock, we'll leave orbit in two hours. Would you care to beam down and visit your parents?
SPOCK: Captain, Ambassador Sarek and his wife are my parents.​

Oh, by the way, I neglected to mention, the Ambassador who we just made a special trip to pick up? He's my dad. And his wife? She's my mom. As a matter of fact, I don't need to beam down to visit my parents at all, because they happen to be standing right here! :lol:
Jesus (and Surak)! Surely, Spock must have been seriously records-erasing traumatized guy!
 
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