Wait, that was Riker playing back Picard's message as evidence that the Federation was here first. I.. I... I guess I have no excuse.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x10 - "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 2"
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This is all way too nitpicky, so take it with some salt, but some lingering questions...
Agnes Jurati is getting away with murder. Why?
Seven and Raffi spoke enough lines to one another at some point to land in a relationship in the final moments? What?
What did Elnor really do this season to warrant his inclusion? What did Seven do that Hugh couldn't have done? His death seems all the more unnecessary. This episode ends with the borg cube and all those ex b's not even being mentioned. Why would Seven and Elnor be on Rios's ship with Picard at all? Wasn't their whole thing staying and dealing with the ex borg's?
This alien race they just contacted, the beacon opened a portal. Message sent. Why didn't this galaxy spanning synth race just reopen the portal and come through on their own? They're this advanced, you'd think them capable of it.
Why did Commodore Oh not fire on the planet? Why did she back down when her whole mission is to save biological life as we know it? Why didn't she out that reason to Starfleet in the stand off? Why didn't she fire on the ships and go down in a blaze of fire trying to destroy the beacon and the synths from contacting this race in the future? In her mind she's saving all biological life. How could she back down given what was shown?
The beacon was made once. Any of the synths can go make it again. Are they just left on their own now, free to one day open a portal to a race that will annihilate all life as we know it? Aren't things dire right now? That race was contacted and are on their way, no? One day? The scope of this threat really didn't need to be this massive and unwieldy.
Also, why was Data trapped in that box? I get Spiner didn't want to come back and play Data. Makes sense as to why he was killed off. But in universe, shouldn't he have been placed in another synth body on that planet some years ago? If not in a new body, there's countless starships out there. Turn his consciousness into a hologram and give him a mobile emitter. Or have him in a holodeck on a starship doing work from there. Endless possibilities, making a new synth body one of the more obvious ways to go. They have B4's body. It shouldn't have been that hard to bring Data back when there's all these other synths on the planet.
Did they ever mention what became of Sutra? Did Soong just knock her out or did he murder her? Won't she have to be imprisoned forever if he didn't murder her?
My biggest nitpick with the whole episode was when all those carbon copy Starfleet ships warped in. Such air out of the sails. There is so much diversity of design in Starfleet, and the cgi just seemed off. If money was an issue, why not just say there's a fleet of 28 Romulan ships and send in a dozen Starfleet ships, instead of 100s to the point of it looking how it looked. Too many ships.
I thought this was a pretty compelling and beautiful episode overall. So many great and poignant moments. But I don't know why no one was asking some of these questions when this show was getting made.The way things ended it looked like they were staying on Rios's ship? Doing?
Agnes Jurati is getting away with murder. Why?
Seven and Raffi spoke enough lines to one another at some point to land in a relationship in the final moments? What?
What did Elnor really do this season to warrant his inclusion? What did Seven do that Hugh couldn't have done? His death seems all the more unnecessary. This episode ends with the borg cube and all those ex b's not even being mentioned. Why would Seven and Elnor be on Rios's ship with Picard at all? Wasn't their whole thing staying and dealing with the ex borg's?
This alien race they just contacted, the beacon opened a portal. Message sent. Why didn't this galaxy spanning synth race just reopen the portal and come through on their own? They're this advanced, you'd think them capable of it.
Why did Commodore Oh not fire on the planet? Why did she back down when her whole mission is to save biological life as we know it? Why didn't she out that reason to Starfleet in the stand off? Why didn't she fire on the ships and go down in a blaze of fire trying to destroy the beacon and the synths from contacting this race in the future? In her mind she's saving all biological life. How could she back down given what was shown?
The beacon was made once. Any of the synths can go make it again. Are they just left on their own now, free to one day open a portal to a race that will annihilate all life as we know it? Aren't things dire right now? That race was contacted and are on their way, no? One day? The scope of this threat really didn't need to be this massive and unwieldy.
Also, why was Data trapped in that box? I get Spiner didn't want to come back and play Data. Makes sense as to why he was killed off. But in universe, shouldn't he have been placed in another synth body on that planet some years ago? If not in a new body, there's countless starships out there. Turn his consciousness into a hologram and give him a mobile emitter. Or have him in a holodeck on a starship doing work from there. Endless possibilities, making a new synth body one of the more obvious ways to go. They have B4's body. It shouldn't have been that hard to bring Data back when there's all these other synths on the planet.
Did they ever mention what became of Sutra? Did Soong just knock her out or did he murder her? Won't she have to be imprisoned forever if he didn't murder her?
My biggest nitpick with the whole episode was when all those carbon copy Starfleet ships warped in. Such air out of the sails. There is so much diversity of design in Starfleet, and the cgi just seemed off. If money was an issue, why not just say there's a fleet of 28 Romulan ships and send in a dozen Starfleet ships, instead of 100s to the point of it looking how it looked. Too many ships.
I thought this was a pretty compelling and beautiful episode overall. So many great and poignant moments. But I don't know why no one was asking some of these questions when this show was getting made.The way things ended it looked like they were staying on Rios's ship? Doing?
That doesn't mean anything. Officially the ban has been lifted, yet there is likely going to be a very prominent "
anti synth" movement still.
Mind control. Pretty standard Trek "get out of jail free card."
Five Starfleet vessels would have been enough. One new one, a Prometheus class, two Akiras and one other. That would have been enough. Showing 30+ of the same ship was just lazy. A fleet that size would be unstoppable in most cases.
Don't worry, we haven't seen the story they have planned where 1 Borg cube makes mincemeat out of that squadron.
Yeah, but that is not what shey showed us. They showed her devastated, but as if it had been her decision. And anyway, a judge should decide whether she was responsible for her actions or not.
I know I'm beating a dead horse, but this is really my biggest gripe with the episode and with the season. Why not take her to DS12, have a trial (they need not even show it), it is determined that she was under extreme stress and extenuating circumstances (mind control I don't buy), yadda yadda, she gets probation and can join the crew again. Same outcome, but a civilized manner of dealing with the issue, without just her friends handwaving it away.
And no, I really don't care that it's been done on Trek before.
On another note, I loved the Data/ Picard scenes and didn't think they were manipulative.
I also love that two men (android or not) tell each other that they love each other (and in the previous ep, a man and a woman), platonically. (Even though I foresee a LOT of slash fics!) It reminds me of Ben Sisko kissing his son: IOW, the kind of masculinity we really need. [/ soapbox]
Considering he introduced himself as an Acting Captain, I’d guess it was temporary.
The episode had a nice theme about the finality of life making it all the more precious and unique, although it does step on that message with the way Picard was revived. The fact that a season 2 was announced long before season 1 premiered also stunted the emotion impact of Picard's death. Any discussion about the ethics of making synthetic life also seemed to fall by the wayside once the space portal to robosquid was closed and the planet was put under Federation protection. It will be interesting to see where future seasons go.
Maybe times have changed in the post-Dominion War era. Starfleet might now have a new shipbuilding policy that it's better to have a smaller number of designs that could be built in large numbers, especially if they could be cranked out relatively quickly.
They made it seem his consciousness was transferred into the body so I'm assuming click/drag instead of copy/paste.
Going by standard human lifespans we've seen in Trek before Picard will have basically another 30-50 years with this body before he dies for good.
Basically Picard got Spocked in this episode, except the Fal-tor-pan ritual was done electronically as opposed to a Vulcan forehead squeeze.
Not really, because he's still mortal. He just gets to live as long as he would have without the brain defect. And that could well be 50-60 more years.
Missed the acting captain line.
Well, sadly, that is not how things like that are generally handled. I agree that it would have been nice and logical and I would have enjoyed the courtroom drama.
Alas, that is not the Trek way, it seems to me.
The electronic one makes far more sense at this point in time for me.
