Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x09 - "Into the Forest I Go"

[Vger23]

Nope, we don't. Just a long military tradition of promoting successful loose cannons into a position where they are relatively harmless. Complete conjecture on my part, rendered moot by Lorca sending Discovery down a rabbit hole.

Lorca didn't do anything. Stamets was messed up after all the jumps he made and the result was the ship is lost.

People are FAR too invested in the whole "Lorca is a Section 31 sociopath Mirror Universe Klingon agent bad guy manipulator rogue Q" theory to accept that a rock is just a rock.

 

[DaveyNY]

I think that Lorca's whole goal at this point is to save the crew of the USS Buran.
After all the stuff he's been doing in secret, he finally has hope that the numbers he entered into the spore-drive would take the Discovery back to the point in time, where he believed the only way to save his crew "was by destroying the ship".
(he emphasized the TIME aspect of the spore-drive when talking to Stamets in the shuttlebay)
He wants to correct his gross error in judgement and is Hell-bent on using the Discovery to do so.

I also believe that his calculations turn out to be off, and he's done more than just sent the Discovery back in time...
They've jumped universes and the Klingon wreckage they find is from the not-so-destroyed, ALT-USS BURAN.
( can we call it the JJ-BURAN )

I also believe that we are going to see a flashback of just what happened during that entire incident, in the second half of the season.

 

[cgervasi]

But what was it with the camera panning away from the exploding Klingon ship to see Burham looking away from the screen? Didn't make sense to me.

I didn't get it either until someone posted that Cool Guys Don't Look at Explosions video.

 

[Vger23]

I think that Lorca's whole goal at this point is to save the crew of the USS Buran.
After all the stuff he's been doing in secret, he finally has hope that the numbers he entered into the spore-drive would take the Discovery back to the point in time, where he believed the only way to save his crew was by destroying the ship.
He wants to correct his gross error in judgement and is Hell-bent on using the Discovery to do so.

I also believe that his calculations turn out to be off, and he's done more than just sent the Discovery back in time...
They've jumped universes and the Klingon wreckage they find is from the not-so-destroyed USS BURAN.

There's no indication whatsoever that the DASH drive manipulates time. They mentioned alternate universes, not time.

 

[Mad Jack Wolfe]

Lorca didn't do anything. Stamets was messed up after all the jumps he made and the result was the ship is lost.

People are FAR too invested in the whole "Lorca is a Section 31 sociopath Mirror Universe Klingon agent bad guy manipulator rogue Q" theory to accept that a rock is just a rock.

Slow down. I have never voiced belief that Lorca is Section 31, a manipulative psychopath, a Mirror Universe agent, undercover Klingon, Q, or even a bad cribbage player. He is, however, a loose cannon. I have no idea what his agenda is, if he has one at all. And I honestly don't care.

I saw him input an override into the spore drive just before the botched jump, same as others did. That is what I based my statement on. If that displeases you, well, that's your problem.

 

[Vger23]

Slow down. I have never voiced belief that Lorca is Section 31, a manipulative psychopath, a Mirror Universe agent, undercover Klingon, Q, or even a bad cribbage player. He is, however, a loose cannon. I have no idea what his agenda is, if he has one at all. And I honestly don't care.

I saw him input an override into the spore drive just before the botched jump, same as others did. That is what I based my statement on. If that displeases you, well, that's your problem.

Ummmm I was just trying to engage in a debate on the matter. Wasn't trying to piss you off. I'm not displeased with anything. I quite honestly am (literally) overjoyed that people are debating and pitching wild theories about Star Trek again. It means people are interested and having FUN.

And that is a wonderful thing to see as a fan of the franchise.

 

[Refuge]

It really is not that clever or complicated. Lorca has this mycelial map. Stamets has putty for brains. Lorca is a war mongering nutcase on the run. Between these two geniuses Discovery is now in the middle of nowhere.

 

[DEWLine]

Personal theory: the Lorca we've been watching is a Mirrorverse escapee. So, no wonder he's got PTSD. Betting that everyone who lives there, however skewed their ethical compass, has that problem too.

 

[Vger23]

Slow down. I have never voiced belief that Lorca is Section 31, a manipulative psychopath, a Mirror Universe agent, undercover Klingon, Q, or even a bad cribbage player. He is, however, a loose cannon. I have no idea what his agenda is, if he has one at all. And I honestly don't care.

I saw him input an override into the spore drive just before the botched jump, same as others did. That is what I based my statement on. If that displeases you, well, that's your problem.

I'd be on board with the bad cribbage player theory. That actually holds some water.

 

[Coal_nete]

Lorca entered the following sequence of codes onto the Navigational System for the Spore Jump:
F6-I9-E5-C3-G7

.... and then, the screen shows...

 

[Grendelsbayne]

There's no indication whatsoever that the DASH drive manipulates time. They mentioned alternate universes, not time.

The Spores allowed Stamets' consciousness to exist outside the time loop. That's one indication right there.

 

[QueenTiye]

I have been trying to understand why no other officers would volunteer to do genetic manipulation to share the workload with Stamets. It's a ship FULL of scientists - no one but Stamets wants to know what it's like to be in the mycelial pathways?

I also don't understand why for the past two episodes Lorca is acting like Burnham's father. What happened that he's so overprotective of her?

I really enjoyed this episode - gave it a 9. But I am NOT understanding why we are getting ready to have our third different show one season (so far).

QT

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

There's no indication whatsoever that the DASH drive manipulates time. They mentioned alternate universes, not time.

Time and space are merely two aspects of the same thing. Even a conventional warp drive can allow time travel under the right circumstances, though this didn't seem to be widely known until being discovered by accident in "The Naked Time" (TOS). After that, it became almost mundane, in principle if not in practice. See "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" (TOS), "Assignment: Earth" (TOS), and The Voyage Home for additional examples.

I have been trying to understand why no other officers would volunteer to do genetic manipulation to share the workload with Stamets. It's a ship FULL of scientists - no one but Stamets wants to know what it's like to be in the mycelial pathways?

"Eugenics experiments are forbidden." Because Khan.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I have been trying to understand why no other officers would volunteer to do genetic manipulation to share the workload with Stamets. It's a ship FULL of scientists - no one but Stamets wants to know what it's like to be in the mycelial pathways?

Said genetic manipulation is quite illegal in the Federation. Starfleet turned a semi blind eye to Stamets given the circumstances, but that's not something that the Federation would allowed to continue.

 

[Refuge]

I have been trying to understand why no other officers would volunteer to do genetic manipulation to share the workload with Stamets. It's a ship FULL of scientists - no one but Stamets wants to know what it's like to be in the mycelial pathways?

I also don't understand why for the past two episodes Lorca is acting like Burnham's father. What happened that he's so overprotective of her?

I really enjoyed this episode - gave it a 9. But I am NOT understanding why we are getting ready to have our third different show one season (so far).

QT

It's a simple plot point to suggest that only one person would do the genetic manipulation. Of course there would be research done to come up with some way to share the load. To suggest it is illegal and yet exploit someone who breached the legality does not make sense.

 

[Timo]

Why should it need to make sense? For all we know, there's only one ship capable of exploiting the mushrooms, so Starfleet isn't all that pressed to modify new navigators - so somebody will argue they can dance the tightrope and not break the law further, and somebody else will nod, and somebody else will complain, and the others will remain embarrassingly silent and the third somebody will shut up, too. As long as Stamets isnt complaining, or being impolite enough to die and require replacement, doing nothing is as good a contingency plan as any, from where the Admirals are looking. They're winning the war hands down anyway - what good does it do to come back home by Christmas only to be charged with being complicit to genetic manipulation?

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Refuge]

Why should it need to make sense?

True, lol

 

[Timo]

If making sense were a requirement, I guess the prosecution would be the party hard pressed here: "I hear you are illegally using a man to push a starship through a galactic network of mushroom roots by injecting him with water bear DNA, please cease and desist!".

Timo Saloniemi

 

[jaime]

Yeah, it's probably just the plot for the second half of the season.

So...first half of season is ‘rerun the dominion war’ second half is ‘rerun voyager’..from a certain point of view? Can’t say I hope that’s the case.

 

[cultcross]

Other than the basic fact that it features an interstellar war, I can't say I think there's much similarity with the Dominion War arc.