Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x09 - "Into the Forest I Go"

[jaime]

Other than the basic fact that it features an interstellar war, I can't say I think there's much similarity with the Dominion War arc.

There are some others, but I don’t think it outright is a thing. I was just simplifying down. DSC is already ENT like too (first ship of its kind with a certain drive, pre TOS but tying closer in places to post TOS)
In terms of the Dominion war, we have something like a First Contact scenario gone wrong leading to war, the potential for doppelgängers as spies in the main cast, the prisoner of war episode, a...business man of dubious intent declaring it not his war, the musings on the Federation civilisation as a veneer, the motivation of the enemy being one that distrusts overtures of peace as hiding a colonial mindset, the enemy having certain technological advantages, the bending and breaking of rules to ensure certain outcomes, Eugenics enhanced Federation citizens as a part of that, we see infighting among the enemy...Battlefield romance, something like one with elements of an abusive side (odo and the female changeling) ...some of these things are a given for a Trek war story, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are reminiscent of things we have had before.
Do I think it’s intentional or even as deep as that? No.
But if the second half goes ‘trying to find their way home’ then we have Voyagers core premise wrapped in there as well, and Ash could end up being a riff on Seska, or L’Rell could also.
Do I have a problem with any of that? No.
But you can bet I won’t be the only one noticing it.

 

[Gonzo]

Lorca didn't do anything. Stamets was messed up after all the jumps he made and the result was the ship is lost.

People are FAR too invested in the whole "Lorca is a Section 31 sociopath Mirror Universe Klingon agent bad guy manipulator rogue Q" theory to accept that a rock is just a rock.

Yeah I do think that some are a bit too locked on this idea, I don't mind how it ends up playing out but some are just like a dog with a bone over it.

Some of the shots we get are designed to make us question many of the casts motives but that to me just seems like the scriptwriters messing with us and creating reasonable doubt.

It looked to me like Stamets attempted one jump too many and his dna is now more alien than human.

Even if he does turn out to be some kind of master criminal I will still consider him the best Captain any Star Trek series has ever had with the exception of Kirk simply because he isn't a perfect goody two shoes and for me that makes him more realistic and believable.

 

[Snarfies]

He looked confused at where they ended up, I agree - but I don't think for a minute he expected to be at the Starbase. He either expected to be somewhere else or is a great actor.

Looking at the jump 133 he accpected to be at the point the klingon ship would cloak so he could shoot the hell out of them (making use of the calculated algo) including the admiral. But he was suprised that he found already the wreckage of probably the klingon ship.

 

[Nyotarules]

I'm four minutes in and Lorca's characterization is completely different (and much more likable) than he's been all season. Where the hell has this version of him been?

Stocking up on Saurian brandy

 

[Nyotarules]

They probably never worked on translation technology because they didn't see it as a tactical advantage.

Kor

Or maybe they are arrogant just like the English speaking world, and assume everyone speaks (or should speak) Klingon lol

 

[Nyotarules]

Disappointing as the UK pretty much lead in other rights like Slavery, giving women rights ect

Recheck your history books

 

[Satron]

Recheck your history books

Denmark and Britain more or less at the same time ended the slave trade.

 

[Guy Gardener]

It's odd that there is only one language for the entire Klingon species.

My best guess is that in the Empire when you are defeated, that you have to adopt the culture of those that defeated you.

Although, if that were true: 14 houses should mean 14 languages, although the houses were unified at one point, and 13 of them had to submit to someone.

 

[Ithekro]

That the spy masters learned English, it would seem that the Klingons learn other languages at least in the upper classes/officer ranks. That would tie in to the Star Trek III and Star Trek VI concepts on the Klingons. On Kruge's ship, only the officers spoke English to keep their crew in the dark about what was going on. The Enlisted assassins comment that only the top models can even talk, while impolite, could reference that the upper class tends to learn English or other languages, while the lower class warriors and others don't.

 

[Timo]

Vulcans in ENT believed there were 80 distinct Klingon dialects; Feds in the 2009 movie believed there were three Romulan ones. One wonders how many human ones there are? That is, are there Earth languages other than English and Swahili that are spoken by non-scholars? Does Picard know any French (beyond "merde!")?

Since half the words of Klingon spoken on screen are "wrong" in terms of what Marc Okrand intended, we have every reason to believe in dialects there...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[urbandefault]

Lorca entered the following sequence of codes onto the Navigational System for the Spore Jump:
F6-I9-E5-C3-G7

.... and then, the screen shows...

BINGO!

 

[Krog]

I hope in the end all will make sense and be conducted back to the prime Universe. Clearly the spore drive is a unique thing allowing Discovery to jump time/dimensions - but I wouldn't like for this to become sort of the norm (mixing universes I mean)...

 

[Mechanoid1]

So if Stamets can see all the multiverses "So clearly" I'm hoping he can see which future episodes are great and pass the intel to the writers.

 

[Vger23]

The Spores allowed Stamets' consciousness to exist outside the time loop. That's one indication right there.

Excellent point, thank you..!

 

[Mr Awe]

I think you're taking things a lot more literally than me. I don't think there was a medal. There was a straightjacket (or the humane 23rd century equivalent) awaiting him and he knew it. He didn't want to go to the Starbase, and needed the jump drive to get wherever he did want to get.

That's the way I interpreted it as well. This show can be very subtle about events and motivations. Starfleet knows its impossible to force Lorca back so they entice him with bait. Lorca is too smart and finds away out.

I'm not 100% sure what his end game is, but I wouldn't be surprised if he feels like he's saved the war for Starfleet so now feels free to roam random parallel universes and he's not planning to come back.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

That does not explain why Spock did not wear gold. So the 3rd officer is "command track" but the first officer is not?

Besides, in Star Trek piloting the ship is a skill that seemingly everyone can do. Most major characters have taken over the helm at some point, unlike tactical, engineering etc.

Spock served a dual-role as XO and CSO. If we use Robert Fletcher's TWOK uniform model, officers serving a heads of departments had the choice to either were command white or their division color. Perhaps in TOS there was a similar leeway. Spock choose to wear science blue rather than command gold. After all, he wore gold in WNMHGB and it's clear he served as first officer despite fanon speculating that Mitchell was XO.

But here's the real-world wrinkle. From a production standpoint, it makes sense to have your lead in one color and your secondary lead in another color. Hence Kirk wore command gold/green and Spock wore blue.

 

[Timo]

it's clear he served as first officer despite fanon speculating that Mitchell was XO.

Well, in terms of dialogue, he was very explicitly the second officer, as per "The Enemy Within" and ST Beyond.

So it's not just a matter of sorting out an utterly nonsystematic use of colors but a contradictory use of terminology. We might as well admit that only Starfleet knows what they mean with all this stuff.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Lorca entered the following sequence of codes onto the Navigational System for the Spore Jump:
F6-I9-E5-C3-G7

.... and then, the screen shows...

Not to mention the Captain is usually not involved in setting coordinates.

 

[XCV330]

Turkish Star Trek did fix this and put Kirk and Spock in yellow shirts.

 

[The Mighty Monkey of Mim]

Spock choose to wear science blue rather than command gold. After all, he wore gold in WNMHGB and it's clear he served as first officer despite fanon speculating that Mitchell was XO.

Thank you for mentioning that and reminding me; I had meant to do so myself in context of another recent thread and forgot.

Well, in terms of dialogue, he was very explicitly the second officer, as per "The Enemy Within"

Only after there were two Kirks!

and ST Beyond.

...where he was, indeed, the second Spock.

(But seriously, for the benefit of the uninitiated reading this, he was second officer in "The Cage," under Pike and his Number One—in fact, that's where he is now during DSC. He was portrayed as Kirk's first officer from the opening scene of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and Mitchell was not at all, there. But in "The Enemy Within" the writer got confused and conflated the terms "First Officer" and "Second in Command"!)

-MMoM