How else would we know if her and tylers kid is a boy or a girl.
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x09 - "Into the Forest I Go"
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I was wondering this too. Also, we don't know how the jumps are logged in the computer. Discovery obviously has made many more jumps than 133. That listing has to only be for the particular 133-jump sequence they did, or it's a log of all the jumps made in that particular day. Although I think there was at least an additional jump made in that day (would have been in the previous episode) wasn't there? That would debunk the "daily log" thing.
What we know of Lorca and the jump records:
- 133 jumps is the agreed-upon number
- TiIly counts the jumps, and gets to 133, the last jump completed
- After the 133 jumps are are completed, Saru starts processing the data, and we see Tilly's display, with a list that starts at jump 001 (and not, say, jump 000)
- Then there's the hiatus, Stamets gets off the needles, and Lorca manipulates him into doing one more jump
- While Tilly prepares him for that jump, Lorca takes out the list of jumps on his handrest display, and when he does so, we see that the list already shows the abort command between 132 and 133; it doesn't appear there as the result of Lorca's keypresses, say
We know 133 was not aborted. We know 133 was completed. We also have every reason to think 133 was completed exactly as planned, because lots of eyes were on that one, and because the ship didn't end up in any unexpected location or status as the result.
So does this list mean that Lorca aborted and perverted the final jump, and that this should have been jump 134 for the recording period but somebody outside the Trek universe made an error?
Or does this list mean something else altogether? Did Lorca in fact do something to jump 133?
Lorca has never used his armrest for the jumps. Why is he using it now? And do we really see him aborting, retargeting or somesuch, even though the display does not change under his manipulations but merely appears?
Timo Saloniemi
- 133 jumps is the agreed-upon number
- TiIly counts the jumps, and gets to 133, the last jump completed
- After the 133 jumps are are completed, Saru starts processing the data, and we see Tilly's display, with a list that starts at jump 001 (and not, say, jump 000)
- Then there's the hiatus, Stamets gets off the needles, and Lorca manipulates him into doing one more jump
- While Tilly prepares him for that jump, Lorca takes out the list of jumps on his handrest display, and when he does so, we see that the list already shows the abort command between 132 and 133; it doesn't appear there as the result of Lorca's keypresses, say
We know 133 was not aborted. We know 133 was completed. We also have every reason to think 133 was completed exactly as planned, because lots of eyes were on that one, and because the ship didn't end up in any unexpected location or status as the result.
So does this list mean that Lorca aborted and perverted the final jump, and that this should have been jump 134 for the recording period but somebody outside the Trek universe made an error?
Or does this list mean something else altogether? Did Lorca in fact do something to jump 133?
Lorca has never used his armrest for the jumps. Why is he using it now? And do we really see him aborting, retargeting or somesuch, even though the display does not change under his manipulations but merely appears?
Timo Saloniemi
I think we have a weird dichotomy here between a small graphic that we would normally dismiss and which would normally pass unnoticed, and the apparent fact that we were supposed to read it to interpret the ending. It's hard to know how much specific attention we were meant to pay to the graphic, and how much was meant to be conveyed by Lorca's performance or indeed remain a mystery.
One possibility is that 133 jumps were not really needed, some lesser number was, but Lorca was collecting data for his own purposes, which necessitated interfering with the 133rd jump (the last in the long series) and having the ship jump somewhere else only slightly different.
A second possibility is that Lorca purposefully fucked up the records before sending them to Starfleet, because he doesn't want Starfleet to be able to break the cloaking technology. This would imply he's a secret Klingon, but there are alternative explanations.
Imagine it? Borgs would have hair in this version and will be into dissemination 'acceptance is easy'. They will live on spheres and grow buttercups.
I think you've nailed it. For all we know it could never be mentioned or seen again, or it indeed could be a clue. I'm not putting much stock into it meaning a whole lot yet for this reason.
BINGO.
The overwhelming majority of people watching would never have noticed that brief glimpse of his console. It is entirely possible that it was just there for technical looking decoration and won't really mean anything in terms of the overall plot.
Except they dedicated quite a lot of screen time to the decoration, focusing on Lorca browsing through the screens and doing something he had never done before. We don't know if him "aborting 133" was relevant or just some sort of a graphics in-joke. But we do know that him fiddling with that console was a more important plot element than Kol blowing up or Stamets and Culver kissing.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
I got the impression that Lorca wasn't being sincere when he told Stamets he'd never ask him to do that...something about how quick he was to accept Stamets' offer of that last jump. That goes hand in hand with Lorca lying to him about telling Starfleet that Stamets is the one who deserved the "Legion of Honor award", not him.
And again, regarding that award; I think it's code for "Lorca is in deep shit with Starfleet", for any variety of reasons. Could be disobeying the orders about leaving Pahvo (despite the positive outcome), could be about employing Burnham, or it could be that Cornwell already had the chance to voice her concerns to Starfleet about Lorca being unfit for captaincy.
Indeed - compare his reaction, for example, to Burnham's offer to join the mission to the ship of the dead. He flat out orders her not to do it until she begs him and points out she's the lead character.
With Stamets he's all 'I couldn't ask you to do that' until he says he will, then a microsecond later he's fine with it and talking about exploring the universe together.
Star Trek Sliders...say it ain't so!
I doubt Decker is a rare human name in 23rd century Star Trek
Yeah, it would. And at this point, after finally reconciling myself to the idea of a "visual soft reboot," I am pretty sure I would feel more than a little bit exasperated by having the rug yanked out from 'neath me like that.
This might be no surprise but aspects of the past nine episodes have not gelled well however we're at some degree invested in it. It's been the foundation not a one or two episode change up, or even a time reset. To discount an entire Universe setting is game changing. Wouldn't you find that a real cheat? What would there be to rely on this dodgy crew that may have a human/Klingon in amongst them anyway? Mirror this mirror that. What would the point be...
I can't see this universe jumping storyline being the premise of the entire series. I'm sure Discovery will be back to Discovery-ing by the season 2 premiere. I for sure would find it a cheat if we finally got back to the prime timeline (or, allegedly the prime timeline depending on how one feels about it) just to have them plucked from it and we get Sliders in Spaaace.
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