So what does that make Captain Kirk?
Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 1x09 - "Into the Forest I Go"
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Now you have no shackles to canon. We don't know which universe your from nor which one your at. It would explain all the weird tech that didn't belong. It could open the doors to some crazy stories due to the laws of physics could be different in the various universes.
Hey, we've been on a ride this far, let's see how much further we go without hopping off.
Yeah, it's probably just the plot for the second half of the season.
Well that's one way of looking at it
However I'm reminded of some advice I was given about er.. training a dog. If you want to teach them, don't trick them. So you want them to sniff our a treat in your hand? Sure put your hands behind you back and shuffle the treat around and then conceal it and let the dog work out what hand it is in. Dropping the treat behind your back and laughing at the dog because it was never going to guess the hand the treat is in (because it is in no hand), well that is not giving the dog a chance to work something out. Woof!If the concept is that Discovery is free wheeling and anything goes and always will, then kiss goodbye to consequence because it's no longer in the chain of reality that an action was taken in. That would be a big call to take that approach.
By that definition, a similar fate should have befallen Admiral Horatio Nelson. He made a regular habit of disobeying and outright ignoring orders. Instead, they punished him with medals and promotions. It's a damn good thing he won so often.
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It looks to me like a lot of these potential indicators of misdirection/subterfuge will either be just the fandom reading too much into things or the scriptwriters being a bit too obvious and heavy handed with the hints.
Hard to say which will be true at this point, there are a few of them.
Is Tyler really Voq?
What is L'Rell really planning?
Did Lorca manipulate the Admiral?
Why did Lorca resist sending Burnham?
Did Lorca manipulate Stamets and interfere with the jumps?
Is Lorca from the Mirror Universe or just suffering from PTSD?
I really don't mind if they are true or not I just feel that they are a bit too obvious in the way they were shown to us, especially if Tyler does end up being Voq, its not exactly going to take anyone by surprise at this point.
I personally think we are being set up by the scriptwriters and they are making a lot of straight forward events seems suspicious so that we don't see the real surprise coming, the scriptwriters are "muddying the waters" and creating reasonable doubt all over the place.
Its a very unusual approach especially in Star Trek, I cant think of it being done in any of the other Star Trek series, I am by no means complaining and it is one of the reasons the show feels fresh and less formulaic than previous series.
Context Is King.
Hard to say which will be true at this point, there are a few of them.
Is Tyler really Voq?
What is L'Rell really planning?
Did Lorca manipulate the Admiral?
Why did Lorca resist sending Burnham?
Did Lorca manipulate Stamets and interfere with the jumps?
Is Lorca from the Mirror Universe or just suffering from PTSD?
I really don't mind if they are true or not I just feel that they are a bit too obvious in the way they were shown to us, especially if Tyler does end up being Voq, its not exactly going to take anyone by surprise at this point.
I personally think we are being set up by the scriptwriters and they are making a lot of straight forward events seems suspicious so that we don't see the real surprise coming, the scriptwriters are "muddying the waters" and creating reasonable doubt all over the place.
Its a very unusual approach especially in Star Trek, I cant think of it being done in any of the other Star Trek series, I am by no means complaining and it is one of the reasons the show feels fresh and less formulaic than previous series.
Context Is King.
You mean like Kirk beating up 5 times stronger Khan in Space Seed and Archer beating up Vulcans in ENT?
Wasn't the Buran destroyed when just the ship of the dead was able to cloak?
Is Tyler really Voq?
Everyone thinks so, except Tyler - yet.
What is L'Rell really planning?
The writers haven't made that one up yet but whatever it is she will conveniently be in just the right place at the right time.
Did Lorca manipulate the Admiral?
The Admiral has been sidelined.
Why did Lorca resist sending Burnham?
Because he forgot she goes on all the away missions.
Did Lorca manipulate Stamets and interfere with the jumps?
Probably but Stamets is batshit crazy now, he's easy pickings.
Is Lorca from the Mirror Universe or just suffering from PTSD?
Both and neither.
That does not explain why Spock did not wear gold. So the 3rd officer is "command track" but the first officer is not?
Besides, in Star Trek piloting the ship is a skill that seemingly everyone can do. Most major characters have taken over the helm at some point, unlike tactical, engineering etc.
To heck with Khan, what about Kirk beating Kruge in STIII? Or Scotty and Chekov going mano-a-mano with the Klingons in Trouble With Tribbles? (Okay Chekov kinda of picked the wrong Klingon in that one
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What about it? Surely you've watched enough of these types of shows to know that even the tiniest slip of a woman can defeat a big strong man.Hey what about Michael fighting Kol. As if
Winning and fighting are different.
Michael was taking unnecessary damage, to keep the fight going, beause Lorca needed another 4 minutes.
If she was fighting to win, she would have taken clear shots to where it hurt, that Kol was too cumbersome to defend against, and avoided the knife fighting like sword fighting entirely, because, why not just crouch and stab him in each leg 5 times?
Although, Kol is really not lumberingly huge, so he's probably pretty fast too, but he is at a severe disadvantage fighting anyone that much smaller than an adult Klingon, actually his only really chance at a fair fight with Michael, is if he has a lot of practice at beating on adolescents.
Michael was taking unnecessary damage, to keep the fight going, beause Lorca needed another 4 minutes.
If she was fighting to win, she would have taken clear shots to where it hurt, that Kol was too cumbersome to defend against, and avoided the knife fighting like sword fighting entirely, because, why not just crouch and stab him in each leg 5 times?
Although, Kol is really not lumberingly huge, so he's probably pretty fast too, but he is at a severe disadvantage fighting anyone that much smaller than an adult Klingon, actually his only really chance at a fair fight with Michael, is if he has a lot of practice at beating on adolescents.
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The writers when interviewed on "After Trek" confirmed that there was a medal.
And attached to that medal was no doubt a promotion that would have landed a newly-minted Vice Admiral Lorca behind a desk on a starbase, where Starfleet could keep an eye on him and keep him on a short leash.
In The Man Trap, when Kirk purposes using stun, Spock said it would put Kirk at greater risk. They probably hadn't worked out exactly what stun would do yet. I like the notion that kill has more stopping power to justify using it. If stun is better at stopping, using kill is for intentional killing, which I like to think is rare.
We have absolutely no evidence of that.
Nope, we don't. Just a long military tradition of promoting successful loose cannons into a position where they are relatively harmless. Complete conjecture on my part, rendered moot by Lorca sending Discovery down a rabbit hole.
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