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Walking Dead Season 7 Discussion - Spoilers possible!

Loooved Rick's smile at the end...
Good episode, all things being equal. This continues to be a good season...
So i wonder if that was Father Gabriel he wa ssmiling at.....but then the question would be -- how did he connect with this group?

And the mysterious person in boots, who followed Rick & Aaron...who are they?

I really wish the kid (under King Ezekiel) would've mentioned Rick to Carol...that might have brought her back.certainly to convince Ezekiel to join the alliance. But I guess that will be for another episode, where Ezekiel comes calling...
 
I'm thinking the smile was more inward....

He's basically saying "I've found my army." They have the weapons and the numbers.
 
I wasn't convinced before, but Negan's radio chatter about "Fat Joey" has finally convinced me- he is an idiot. All the posturing and attitude isn't going to be enough to stop Rick from out-generaling him.

Looking back, I think The Governor was a better leader than Negan, and had he not been just plain crazy, he may have indeed made it into the post-post-apocalyptic history books as a great leader. He seemed to be respected and even admired by the people of Woodbury (at least until he finally snapped), unlike Negan who has to terrorize his people to stay in power, and depends on a core group of like-minded a-holes to keep his regime intact.
 
Whew, it's a good thing Rosita put points into her demolitions skill at last level-up!

Rick talked about stuff, thangs with Kang Ezekiel.

The chain was super contrived but super hilarious. :lol: Rick's Aura of Invincibility was going full blast there.
 
I thought it was a really good episode loved the scene on the highway (which is totally NOT the same highway they were all stuck on for an entire season in Season 2. ;) ) especially with Rick and Michonne with the trip-wire and the walker herd. Sort of made me think of "Ghost Ship" though, granted, the wire scene in that movie was a bit different. ;)

I really liked the parable Rick tells King Ezekiel to convince him to join the "war" between that and the talk with the apprentice kid I would've expected Ezekiel to join the fight (esp. IIRC in the comics he already has his *own* plan and wants to draw others into it) but it looks like next week he may have a negative encounter with The Saviors to convince him this war is "necessary."

Rosita has some sass to her. doesn't she? ;) Sort of over-the-top sass but I'm guessing this is her putting up a stronger shield in grief over Spencer and what happened to Eugene.

I didn't catch the person in the passenger seat in the opening but when I read about I went back and watched it and, sure enough, as the car goes down the road you see a head rise in the passenger seat of Gabriel's car, so I think this new group (The Junkyard Girls until we learn otherwise) ambushed him and forced him to gather up the supplies and go with them this is the "you still lose" part of the note Aaron found on the houseboat.

At first I thought it was Oceanside but their manner of dressing and the junkyard location makes me think this is yet another group, hopefully one Rick convinces to team with them in the war against The Saviors.

Can Carol grow the fuck up?

Good episode, looks like the back-half is going to be a lot of fun and exciting. I just hope it ends with the START of the war and not the end of it.
 
Rick Grimes has his Captain Archer gazelle story moment! :lol:
And the music was really, really off this episode, didn't fit the mood or show itself.
But it advanced the narrative, which I hope picks up next eppy.
 
Rick Grimes has his Captain Archer gazelle story moment! :lol:
And the music was really, really off this episode, didn't fit the mood or show itself.
But it advanced the narrative, which I hope picks up next eppy.
I think that Rick just made up that story on the spot. It is kind of a dopey story.
 
Loved that smile at the end.
Never has anyone been so happy to be surrounded by an armed angry mob.
 
I'm thinking the smile was more inward....

He's basically saying "I've found my army." They have the weapons and the numbers.

Unless he is seeing a character we didn't and thus is convinced that this mob is on their side there really is no reason to smile. Just because there is another well armed group out there doesn't mean they are automatically against the Saviours. If Negan approached them he may have realized that beating this group into submission may be too costly so he allied with them (with him as the stronger partner) and Rick is in deep crap again.

I wasn't convinced before, but Negan's radio chatter about "Fat Joey" has finally convinced me- he is an idiot. All the posturing and attitude isn't going to be enough to stop Rick from out-generaling him.

Looking back, I think The Governor was a better leader than Negan, and had he not been just plain crazy, he may have indeed made it into the post-post-apocalyptic history books as a great leader. He seemed to be respected and even admired by the people of Woodbury (at least until he finally snapped), unlike Negan who has to terrorize his people to stay in power, and depends on a core group of like-minded a-holes to keep his regime intact.

Negan may not be Napoleon or even Rick whom people follow willingly but they do follow Negan's commands to the letter because fear and terror are powerful motivators. People figure that having a safe haven and having to work for the ruler and bend their knee occasionally (and endure some assholes) is preferrable to wandering around a Zombie infested and hyperviolent country on their own. At least with Negan they live and are supplied well enough.

However as with all brutal dictators he doesn't realize the ill will he's produced.. the guys he stole the attractive wives/girlfriends from surely don't appreciate it but are in no position to argue or it's the Hot Iron and the women go because opposing Negan or humiliating him publicly is a big no no ( i don't know if he's really that delusional thinking his Wives are there on their own free will or if he doesn't care and it's just a public act).

But in the end his "Kingdom" is running well, people are fed and equipped, it's secure and they get to take out their asshole side on the settlements every once in a while. Now there are already some small cracks inside Negan's group but once Rick has enough forces assembled to challenge him and put him under pressure those cracks will widen when people start to realize that Negan isn't that all powerful and can be beaten.

Will make for one hell of season 7B and the season finale (and probably also season 8).
 
Rosita has some sass to her. doesn't she? ;) Sort of over-the-top sass but I'm guessing this is her putting up a stronger shield in grief over Spencer and what happened to Eugene.

She's chomping on too many of her own people--most who have superior fighting (Morgan), weapons (Sasha) or general technical skills (Eugene), so that's something to consider, since she's fond of judging the value of others. In fact, the Alexandria residents should be flaming mad at her, as it was clear her botched attempt to kill Negan led to Oliva's murder.

Everyone has been through trauma and loss in the ZA world, but most did not walk around being a complete ass to those who did not deserve it.

At first I thought it was Oceanside but their manner of dressing and the junkyard location makes me think this is yet another group, hopefully one Rick convinces to team with them in the war against The Saviors.

Yeah, Oceanside residents live in hiding and rarely move out that far. Contrary to some viewers, this new group is not all female. Whether or not they're the Whisperers is another matter.

Can Carol grow the fuck up?

How is she being childish? She has suffered enough that she does not want to be involved anymore. While the series might have her break that desire to avoid fighting...and end up being killed (more than a few rumors about that), one can understand why she does not want yet another round of fighting psychopaths.

Good episode, looks like the back-half is going to be a lot of fun and exciting. I just hope it ends with the START of the war and not the end of it.

I think it will parallel season three's finale: the third conflict with the Governor, but the final battle was on the back end of 4A.
 
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She's chomping on too many of her own people--most who have superior fighting (Morgan), weapons (Sasha) or general technical skills (Eugene), so that's something to consider, since she's fond of judging the value of others. In fact, the Alexandria residents should be flaming mad at her, as it was clear her botched attempt to kill Negan led to Oliva's murder.

Everyone has been through trauma and loss in the ZA world, but most did not walk around being a complete ass to those who did not deserve it.

It just may be how she "reacts" to stress, particularly when she blames herself (she's responsible for Eugene being captured as she forced him to make the bullet) couple that with the grief over the relationship ending with Abraham, Abraham's death and now the death of Spencer and the "relationship" budding there she's just putting up an offensive shield to deal with her emotions. It's how some people react to blaming their-self the over-react on others.

She's got little reason to mistrust Father Gabriel, particularly after the talk they had in the previous episode, but she's biting out and not thinking rationally.


Yeah, Oceanside residents live in hiding and rarely move out that far. Contrary to some viewers, this new group is not all female. Whether or not they're the Whisperers is another matter.

I don't think they're The Whisperers, this would be "too soon" for them to appear (if the show traces the comics even as tangentially as it does), this isn't how the meeting goes in the comics and their presentation here wouldn't align with The Whisperers in the comics. I think they're an original "new" group to the series.

How is she being childish? She has suffered enough that she does not want to be involved anymore. While the series might have her break that desire to avoid fighting...and end up being killed (more than a few rumors about that), one can understand why she does not want yet another round of fighting psychopaths.

Because there's almost no reason for her to behave this way and to want to isolate herself in this manner particularly to people she's known and been close to for the last three years (particularly Rick and Daryl.)

But, for me, her switch to this mode is almost as sudden, "out of character" and random as her switch to bad-ass woman who can aim bottle-rockets at propane tanks.

In Season 3 she nearly shoots Rick in the foot after sniping at walkers in the prison yard (this being the better part of 10 months into the apocalypse and been on the run the whole Winter) and holds up in a prison closet for a couple days freaked out after the prison "walker riot" where Lori died.

Flash to Season 4, a few months later, and she's a bad-ass killer teaching kids about guns in "school" and going around stealthily killing people at Terminus.

Season 5, she's this hard-ass liar and manipulator, tough-talking to children and then Season 6 she's again the elite killer with the Wolf Pack.

Now she's dealing with some-kind-of killer PTSD where she wants to be left alone and not kill anymore? It just seems like a sudden turn around after 3 seasons of her emotionless-ly killing people and wanting to kill people who are threats (like the Wolves and the Wolf Morgan captured. And, yeah, she struggled killing Lizzie and it obviously messed with her but it didn't seem to impact her too bad as right afterwards she's easily killing the Termites and threatening to feed a kid to walkers.)

It's out of nowhere.

But, along the same lines, Morgan needs to "grow up" too with the pacifist bullshit. He's seen how The Saviors operate and he found out they killed four Alexandrians/of "The Group." He may not have known Glenn and Abraham that much but he certainly should have gleamed what a good-guy Glenn was just from talk to him a bit and hearing about him from the others. So he shouldn't so quickly be "maybe we can work out a peace without a battle." He should realize the problem The Saviors are and be off the pacifist nonsense.
 
Morgan didn't seem too convinced of what he was saying. He wants to find another way but is starting to understand that sometimes there isn't one.

Yeah, I think killing that Savior opened up in him the "necessity" of having to kill people in this world and it fears him. So maybe he'll wake up more next week when, it seems, there's a more hostile encounter with The Saviors at a pickup/drop-off.
 
It just may be how she "reacts" to stress, particularly when she blames herself (she's responsible for Eugene being captured as she forced him to make the bullet) couple that with the grief over the relationship ending with Abraham, Abraham's death and now the death of Spencer and the "relationship" budding there she's just putting up an offensive shield to deal with her emotions. It's how some people react to blaming their-self the over-react on others.

She's got little reason to mistrust Father Gabriel, particularly after the talk they had in the previous episode, but she's biting out and not thinking rationally.




I don't think they're The Whisperers, this would be "too soon" for them to appear (if the show traces the comics even as tangentially as it does), this isn't how the meeting goes in the comics and their presentation here wouldn't align with The Whisperers in the comics. I think they're an original "new" group to the series.



Because there's almost no reason for her to behave this way and to want to isolate herself in this manner particularly to people she's known and been close to for the last three years (particularly Rick and Daryl.)

But, for me, her switch to this mode is almost as sudden, "out of character" and random as her switch to bad-ass woman who can aim bottle-rockets at propane tanks.

In Season 3 she nearly shoots Rick in the foot after sniping at walkers in the prison yard (this being the better part of 10 months into the apocalypse and been on the run the whole Winter) and holds up in a prison closet for a couple days freaked out after the prison "walker riot" where Lori died.

Flash to Season 4, a few months later, and she's a bad-ass killer teaching kids about guns in "school" and going around stealthily killing people at Terminus.

Season 5, she's this hard-ass liar and manipulator, tough-talking to children and then Season 6 she's again the elite killer with the Wolf Pack.

Now she's dealing with some-kind-of killer PTSD where she wants to be left alone and not kill anymore? It just seems like a sudden turn around after 3 seasons of her emotionless-ly killing people and wanting to kill people who are threats (like the Wolves and the Wolf Morgan captured. And, yeah, she struggled killing Lizzie and it obviously messed with her but it didn't seem to impact her too bad as right afterwards she's easily killing the Termites and threatening to feed a kid to walkers.)

It's out of nowhere.

But, along the same lines, Morgan needs to "grow up" too with the pacifist bullshit. He's seen how The Saviors operate and he found out they killed four Alexandrians/of "The Group." He may not have known Glenn and Abraham that much but he certainly should have gleamed what a good-guy Glenn was just from talk to him a bit and hearing about him from the others. So he shouldn't so quickly be "maybe we can work out a peace without a battle." He should realize the problem The Saviors are and be off the pacifist nonsense.

FOr Carol -- it's not out of nowhere...it's just all that trauma building up. Don't forget -- 2 years ago she was an abused housewife. I have no doubt she'll come around... I wish that kid Ezekiel took under his wing would've mentioned Rick -- THAT would've brought her back right away. I think she'll be the reason that pushes Ezekiel to go ahead & go to war with Rick against Negan.

Yeah, Morgan is moving -- but still retaining a legitimate philosophy . His idea of capturing Negan -- isn't that from the comics (not from pacificist Morgan, but from other characters). I think this war will still shake him. I hope it does not kill Morgan, but maybe make him want to leave..and then re-appear in the very last season. It'd be nice closure if he was there at the end of the show.
 
The zombie in the trailer for the next episode looks like something from Z Nation instead of Walking Dead. Could be a "jump the shark" moment.
 
They've never had a show remotely even anywhere close to being as big as TWD is. Would AMC ever dare to think about ending it? Doubtful.
I know at some point they would..i doubt we will have see season 20 of the walking dead..it won't be for a few years, for sure, but they should plot out a wrap up m with some trap doors so they can easily edit.
 
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