Walking Dead Season 7 Discussion - Spoilers possible!

[Trekker4747]

Like I said, it may well have been a apple, the color on it looked like a peach to me and didn't note any "crunch" sound when Maggie bit into it. I just assumed it was a peach didn't think much beyond that.

Anyway, as I said, Eugene's "home-made" bullet may not have been ideal, it was likely the first one he made so he may not have yet fully calculated out the best mix for the powder, the amount, or even how to properly form the bullet for the best ballistics or to use the right materials for make the best alloy for it.

It was an imperfect bullet which would be why it appears Rosita's aim was so shitty and it didn't do much damage to Lucille.

Daryl whacking Fat Joey was indeed pretty terrifying but, to his defense, he's been under a LOT of pressure since his arrival at the Sanctuary so he may have needed to seriously unload.

 

[Silvercrest]

She died from a gun shot.

The scene wasn't that clear to me on that...

I was trying to decide if I heard a faint thudding sound (like from a silenced weapon) just before Michonne turned the car around. Apparently so.

Was the 'you won but you still lose' just the dead guy flipping them off, or something deeper (are the guns screwed with in some way?) Is it possible the secret watcher is the actual person who set the boat up? That was a good scene, guess Aaron dived under the walkers as they weren't able to submerge?

No way to really speculate right now. There's just not enough information. The guy could have just been a nutjob, or he poisoned a stash of food he left as 'bait' for anyone who got past his defenses, or the whole set-up could have been a test by some unknown party, or it could be foreshadowing for the Whisperers as someone else mentioned, or... just about anything else. Again: There's just not enough information available to even make an educated guess, really.

At first I wondered if the sign referred to the fact there were all these guns but no ammo. I don't think that's it, though.

Spencer was a dick but I can't find it in myself to really hate him, from his perspective everything was fine before Rick showed up and then his entire family was wiped out. Rationally we and the rest of the characters know Alexandria was probably on borrowed time but it is at least possible to empathise with Spencer's thinking, even if I don't remotely agree with it.

He was a spoiled brat even before Rick showed up, and afterwards he only proved that all the more with his selfish hoarding of food, drink, and weapons. He didn't care about anyone other than himself. That made it pretty easy for me to hate him, with respect to the show.

The parents were responsible in setting up an opportunistic system where the sons were all on board with kicking people out into the wild, leaving anyone behind that poses a threat to survival, and judging anyone who did not fit into their pampered world where mommy and daddy send orders from On High.

In only the past two episodes, Spencer mentioned his mother's political career, as if that is some all-access pass for all others to worship Deanna's life and career. Class judgements were definitely a part of his problem.

I also got a good laugh rewatching part of last season — when Spencer told his mother how her leadership had set them all up for disaster. This season he was putting her on a pedestal. The punk just wanted someone to blame.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Spencer was a dick but I can't find it in myself to really hate him, from his perspective everything was fine before Rick showed up and then his entire family was wiped out. Rationally we and the rest of the characters know Alexandria was probably on borrowed time but it is at least possible to empathise with Spencer's thinking, even if I don't remotely agree with it.

Why would Spencer think everything was fine in a town where the policy was to leave the injured behind to save your own ass? Aiden admitted that was the case, Nicholas carried it out in the Noah incident and Francine (the woman Abraham saved at the construction site) decked Tobin because of said policy practice. It was self-serving...cutthroat, which meant Spencer's acceptance of it made him more of a lowlife than any act committed by Rick's group since their arrival.

Gabriel is rapidly becoming a cult hero! They're using him sparingly but every time they do he knocks it out of the park. I think he did get through to Rosita unfortunately Negan then gutted Spencer. Must kinda screw with you when you see the same guy viciously kill the last two people you were intimate with. Again, she's an idiot but I can see exactly why she acted the way she did.

Yeah, Gabriel is living up to his title--very rational among a good number of irrational people.

It's so nice to have Rick back, and to have some hope in the group again. A long way to go before they can take on Negan, but the resistance starts here!

Expect a big price for that resistance. Probably another main character or two.

Was the 'you won but you still lose' just the dead guy flipping them off, or something deeper (are the guns screwed with in some way?)

Definitely a mystery--the man could've left defective weapons, or thought that the trip to--or from the boat--was designed to be a death trap of a walker-filled lake. Or, he could be a Savior setting up victims. Difficult to get a clear idea on his or her identity.

 

[Silvercrest]

Gabriel is rapidly becoming a cult hero! They're using him sparingly but every time they do he knocks it out of the park.

Yeah, Gabriel is living up to his title--very rational among a good number of irrational people.

It seems like Gabriel and Sam Anderson followed similar tracks: Reacting to the monsters outside their homes by hiding/going into denial, and later totally losing it when confronted with human monsters (as they see it) who've moved into their homes where they cannot hide. It's just that Gabriel was finally able to work his way out of that perception and Sam wasn't.

Of course, Sam is different because he had a human monster in his home already. Guess that's what made the difference.

 

[Scout101]

Honestly, I found it to be way too soon for that. While I know a lot of people were tired of seeing Negan flaunting his power and dominance, it just didn't feel natural for the Group to overcome all of that so quickly and have Rick (apparently) back in full form. The dude was utterly broken, but his recovery was that easy? Eh...

Definitely felt rushed/compressed. Probably needed a season to sort of breath and establish a new status quo first. Would have required Negan to back off and not be prodding them/killing people constantly, but definitely felt like there needed to be some relative downtime while they just try to go back to 'normal' while providing for Negan. He goes off on occasion, which builds Rick's need to fight back again, etc.

Because of the way the episodes kept focusing on different groups, we only got a few minutes of Rick between 'totally broken' and 'ready to rumble' again.

Better than a year on the farm going nowhere, but definitely felt too quick.

 

[Starkers]

Daryl whacking Fat Joey was indeed pretty terrifying but, to his defense, he's been under a LOT of pressure since his arrival at the Sanctuary so he may have needed to seriously unload.

Good point.

"I. Hate.That.Song!"

Why would Spencer think everything was fine in a town where the policy was to leave the injured behind to save your own ass? Aiden admitted that was the case, Nicholas carried it out in the Noah incident and Francine (the woman Abraham saved at the construction site) decked Tobin because of said policy practice. It was self-serving...cutthroat, which meant Spencer's acceptance of it made him more of a lowlife than any act committed by Rick's group since their arrival.



Yeah, Gabriel is living up to his title--very rational among a good number of irrational people.



Expect a big price for that resistance. Probably another main character or two.



Definitely a mystery--the man could've left defective weapons, or thought that the trip to--or from the boat--was designed to be a death trap of a walker-filled lake. Or, he could be a Savior setting up victims. Difficult to get a clear idea on his or her identity.

Fair comment about Spencer. I do wonder if another main cast member's going to bite the dust before the end of the season. Who are we classing as main characters rather than recurring these days? Rick, Daryl, Michonne, Maggie, Carl, Carol, Morgan, Eugene, Tara, Rosita, Jesus, Gabriel and Aaron? Oh and I guess Negan (does Dwight count? or Ezekiel/Richard?) I'm not counting Judith, that girl's gotta start pulling her weight in the zombie killing stakes!

It seems like Gabriel and Sam Anderson followed similar tracks: Reacting to the monsters outside their homes by hiding/going into denial, and later totally losing it when confronted with human monsters (as they see it) who've moved into their homes where they cannot hide. It's just that Gabriel was finally able to work his way out of that perception and Sam wasn't.

Of course, Sam is different because he had a human monster in his home already. Guess that's what made the difference.

The downside to characters like Sam, and Spencer, is that you can see where their stories are going and they don't surprise you. The rehabilitation of Father G has been a pleasant surprise.

Definitely felt rushed/compressed. Probably needed a season to sort of breath and establish a new status quo first. Would have required Negan to back off and not be prodding them/killing people constantly, but definitely felt like there needed to be some relative downtime while they just try to go back to 'normal' while providing for Negan. He goes off on occasion, which builds Rick's need to fight back again, etc.

Because of the way the episodes kept focusing on different groups, we only got a few minutes of Rick between 'totally broken' and 'ready to rumble' again.

Better than a year on the farm going nowhere, but definitely felt too quick.

I think they could have dragged it out more but to be honest I think there was a risk they dragged it too far. Like you say better too soon than too late.

 

[Tom]

Since the 'Widows' were not in the comics I wonder if they use them in the show as a another group to go against Negan. What I can see happening is that Rick and the others need weapons to fight Negan. Tara probably tells rick about the Widows and their stash of guns, and they ether try to take the weapons or convince the widows to help them.

Speaking of Tara, Heath is still out there somewhere. They did not show him dead or being a zombie so I wonder where he is?

 

[Silvercrest]

The downside to characters like Sam, and Spencer, is that you can see where their stories are going and they don't surprise you.

With Spencer, getting there was an upside.

 

[Evil Twin]

Speaking of Tara, Heath is still out there somewhere. They did not show him dead or being a zombie so I wonder where he is?

Off killing terrorists instead of zombies.

 

[Ethros]

So Sonequa Martin-Green (Sasha) has been cast as the lead in Star Trek: Discovery
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...nequa-martin-green-cast-as-new-star-trek-lead

Do folk think this means the end of Sasha on TWD is nigh? On can she handle both shows at once?

Seen as multiple episodes go by now all the time where characters don't even feature at all, I wonder how much time TWD really takes out of their year anyway, esp compared to one of the actors' workloads in like s2 or 3

 

[Morpheus 02]

So Sonequa Martin-Green (Sasha) has been cast as the lead in Star Trek: Discovery
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...nequa-martin-green-cast-as-new-star-trek-lead

Do folk think this means the end of Sasha on TWD is nigh? On can she handle both shows at once?

Seen as multiple episodes go by now all the time where characters don't even feature at all, I wonder how much time TWD really takes out of their year anyway, esp compared to one of the actors' workloads in like s2 or 3

Great question -- I was thinking that too. I guess a couple of things -- her role in an episode (say being a sharpshooter) might go to someone else (like Carol)... I also wonder if they are also waiting on the success or failure of Discovery. If it's a hit, then, maybe they might kill off Sasha (dramatic Season 8 finale) or have her go West and explore ... or if it's a failure, then just ramp up her scenes. I wonder, with the way they do stories focusing on part of the characters , that she could film her scenes for 2 episodes in one week, to have more time for Discovery.

We'll see what happens. Congrats to her!

 

[sojourner]

Right now TWD films in the summer. Discovery films in the spring. It's a non-issue.

 

[Mark_Nguyen]

For the first season at least it should be fine. Also, with TWD's filing style it's not like she'd typically be needed for the entire run of TWD filming. In the first eighte episodes she had one that seriously involved her and two or three where she was secondary or even in a background / non-speaking role. Unless her involvement in TWD skyrockets, I'm sure she could juggle her schedule to accommodate both shows where there's some crossover in shooting schedules.

Also, excellent choice.

Mark

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

So Sonequa Martin-Green (Sasha) has been cast as the lead in Star Trek: Discovery
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/artic...nequa-martin-green-cast-as-new-star-trek-lead

Do folk think this means the end of Sasha on TWD is nigh? On can she handle both shows at once?

Seen as multiple episodes go by now all the time where characters don't even feature at all, I wonder how much time TWD really takes out of their year anyway, esp compared to one of the actors' workloads in like s2 or 3

Although the series shoot at different times of the year, I see Sasha's arc coming to a close. The character was largely defined by her association with another person--first as Tyreese's sister, brief run as Bob's love interest, sharing sibling death grief with Maggie, and of course, the would-be romance with Abraham. Remove that, and she does not have much personal development. Even now, she seems to operate as Maggie's "sister in grief" / protector than a character with her own life and ambitions.

Having posted that, her lone, big moment seems like it could come in the form of her being the death that plays a part in setting off the war.

 

[Trekker4747]

It seems more like the death of Spencer and Olivia, along with Negan's most recent visit to Alexandria, sets off the war.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I mean that right now, the heroes are in plotting mode, but another major death would move the attack plans to an earlier date on the calendar.

 

[Ethros]

Digital Spy specualte maybe this could be her fate
http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-walking-dead/news/a817004/walking-dead-sasha-death-holly/

So sort of spoilers, only really for the comic. It's only specualtion that if she were to die who's death in the comic could she have

 

[Trekker4747]

I could see that being the case.

 

[Ethros]

Saw this in a clothes store today, looks like Negan has become a fashion icon

 

[publiusr]

Since the 'Widows' were not in the comics I wonder if they use them in the show as a another group to go against Negan.

I'm hoping so. The large black revolver from that episode looked to have an image of Lucille cut into its wooden grip.
May have been Negan's gun.