Will we meet Prime Admiral Marcus?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Turd Ferguson, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. Nightowl1701

    Nightowl1701 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Well, to be fair, not many would automatically connect an American-sounding lab technician with a high-ranking admiral with a British accent, just based on the last name...
     
  2. Nerys Myk

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    Carol had the Brit accent in ITD, not her Dad.
     
  3. Phily B

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    The lightning storm stuff could be simple, they were more concerned with the size and offensive capabilities while having little read outs on the travel systems or how they got here. Translates to how the Federation reacted to The Borg - the research and "weapons" all seemed to be based on how to defend and damage them rather than how they got from the Gamm Quadrant so quickly. I still really like this explanation for the technological differences though, so I'm biased. But it really fixes the Prime/Kelvin universe stuff.
     
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    I know - that was the joke. (Or an attempt at one, anyway.)
     
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    I guess the point is that Gary Mitchell would. He'd be the one making the connection in every sense of the word, after all. In vectoring in Carol Marcus, he wouldn't be vectoring in her lab tech self but her Admiral's daughter self, even if those selves cohabited a body, Charlie Blackwood style. And Kirk couldn't remain ignorant of the fact - this walking stack of books would not engage in relations contrary to the Field Manual, and indeed would take care not to.

    ...Captain Robau's team considered it unprecedented, and in the end, Spock seemed to concur that it was a good fingerprint for the Narada phenomenon. Any other skipper might ignore it, but this is Pike, the one (if not quite only) expert - and we're supposed to think he's flying a hammer designed specifically for this particular nail?

    Yet for 25 years, the threat did not materialize. Escalating against it would make no sense, then - especially if there was no way to predict when/if it would reappear. Surely Starfleet would be facing threats of other sorts and customizing its response against those? Which indeed seems to be what happened, since the new fleet is even less of a match for the Narada than the Kelvin was!

    I guess that's my real beef with this: what differences? The Kelvinverse doesn't impress me with its weapon or shielding capabilities (and any 'verse would be hard pressed to, because big guns blocked by strong shields would look identical to little guns blocked by weak shields whereas the performance of all guns against all shieldless targets seems constant across the 'verses, that is, utterly devastating). The ships are big, but they were that even before the Narada came, and remain so in the DSC 2250s.

    So a rationalization for differences is not high on my list of priorities when I just can't see much in the way of differences. Doesn't mean the rationalization would be invalid or uninteresting, though.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  8. cooleddie74

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    It's possible that in the Prime Timeline Admiral Marcus died or divorced while Carol was still a small child and thus in "our" history she grew up in North America with her mother or other family members and thus developed an American-sounding accent whereas in the Kelvin Timeline she could have grown up in Britain and thus developed an English accent that differed greatly from her father's.
     
  9. Timo

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    Or then she changes her UT settings whenever she redoes her hair and face, just for variety...

    Acquiring an accent from somewhere else besides one's immediate family happens a lot in TV, and in Trek - Deanna Troi, say. Perhaps one Carol studied Advanced Blowing Up in London while another concentrated on Applied Early Replication Theory in Boston, and this is where the accents come from?

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    We need one of those with him in a TOS uniform. :lol:
     
  13. Noname Given

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    Given Captain Picard was SUPPOSED to be French (but had a thick British accent) and yes he was 24th century; but my point? Travelling from one part of the Globe to another by the Trek 23rd century is probably about as hard as walking to the local Grocery store. So, perhaps Carol liked England and decided to live/work from there while Dad remained in San Francisco.
     
  14. Timo

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    ...Would accents or even languages survive this ease of travel, though? Why would anybody speak anything but Mandarin if the same people are to be found everywhere?

    In the Trek context, insta-travel might still be relatively new, of course. When do we see or hear of our first civilian/public transporters? Yorktown has some, for a certain value of civilian, and the 2360s-70s are rife with references to public transporting going back to the characters' youth, but Carol Marcus' youth might have been different.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  15. Nyotarules

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    Nah he's a robotic cop

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  16. King Daniel Beyond

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    There was actually a deleted scene that addressed Carol's accent:
     
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  17. Timo

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    No reason this wouldn't fit. Now, why did they cut both the scenes about Kirk's eye color? The minisode about Spock's timbre was also a hoot!

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  18. cooleddie74

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    Damn, the beer brewery engine room sucked ass. I'm so glad they at least changed the warp core itself for the second film.
     
  19. fireproof78

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    Works for me. Also enjoy the journey through the ship.
     
  20. cooleddie74

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    While I don't like the beer brewery look to engineering I am sad that they cut out this tiny little sequence of character-building. Leaving it in would have caused no problems to the flow of the overall scene and indeed made longtime fans happy that they actually explained why Alice Eve's Carol spoke with a different accent than Bibi Besch's did.
     
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