Will we meet Prime Admiral Marcus?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Turd Ferguson, Dec 29, 2018.

  1. WarpFactorZ

    WarpFactorZ Commodore Commodore

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    Who cares? Not canon.
     
  2. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    ...ok? I was just pointing something out.

    No need to be rude about it.
     
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  3. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Nope, but the last episode of rival TOS fan series New Voyages did. They fudged the timeline though, having Kirk and Carol meet towards the end of the 5-year mission
     
  4. Tuskin38

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    Ah that is what I was thinking of then.
     
  5. Nightowl1701

    Nightowl1701 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Y'know, there's every chance Prime Admiral Marcus was killed in the Klingon War. Most of Starfleet was, apparently.
     
  6. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    There's *a* chance, yes. Not necessarily *every* chance.

    True, the Klingon War inflicted heavy losses on the Federation, but it's not like the entire fleet was on the verge of collapse. It's not as bad as, say, the alternate timeline of "Yesterday's Enterprise".

    Assuming Kirk and Carol are about the same age, then Alex Marcus would already be a seasoned combat veteran as of DSC's time frame (heck, he may already have his admiral's stars). I find it more likely that he survived the war than not.
     
  7. WarpFactorZ

    WarpFactorZ Commodore Commodore

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    Irrespective of Kirk and Carol's ages, we already "know" how old Marcus is in the 2250s, since that's when STiD takes place. So It's not a long shot to assume he is an Admiral in the Prime universe as well.
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    Or he could be retired, or committed to a mental health facility.

    There are many chances that Marcus lives.
     
  9. cooleddie74

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    Or even died before the war from some other cause or incident. Just because he lived until the late 2250s in the Kelvin Timeline doesn't mean he got to be that old in the Prime Timeline.

    It's possible that David never got to meet either of his grandfathers.
     
  10. Timo

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    As regards Carol, Kirk tends to be dead serious with his women. "Almost marrying" would probably apply to most of his dalliances anyway, and wouldn't yet connect him with the mother of his son specifically.

    But it's almost inconceivable for either Mitchell or Kirk to describe the daughter of five-star Admiral Alexander Marcus as "that blonde lab technician"!

    (Or did she withhold that information as well, and more successfully than in that other timeline?)

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  11. Phily B

    Phily B Commodore Commodore

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    This is prime universe, Into Darkness wasn't. It is possible Marcus isn't even in Starfleet or is just a Captain, Into Darkness you get the impression that the Nero and Kelvin incidents had the Wolf 359 effect on Starfleet earlier and more drastically - so it is quite possible Marcus was deeply affected or was far more willing to be a S31 toady, especially since S31 seemed a far more expansive and well funded department in the JJ movie.
     
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  12. Timo

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    What Wolf 359 effect, though? In the TNG timeline, Starfleet seems to have dabbled in a couple of anti-Borg projects and then dropped them all. In the Kelvinverse, the very man who wrote an academic dissertation on the Narada incident didn't seem to believe that this monster could ever cross paths with the Federation again, and dismissed the unique, telltale signals till a cadet shouted him down on the issue. If anything, Pike believed that Starfleet had gone complacent since the days of George Kirk and was in need of mavericks like his son.

    Might be the Kelvinverse Starfleet faced fewer threats than the more familiar one, perhaps because they took less risks after having run into a huge space monster in the 2230s already and not in the 2260s like Jim Kirk in TOS did. Which is why they kept on operating ancient ships akin to the Kelvin, and even their "newest flagship" succumbed to Nero's weapons just as easily as the Kelvin had, if not more easily.

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  13. CorporalClegg

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    Because someone who calls women "walking refrigerators" obviously has the highest regard and respect for them.
     
  14. dodge

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    He should have said "that woman of undetermined appearance, profession and parentage" so we wouldn't have these problems. ;)
     
  15. Kor

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    No, we won't meet Prime Admiral Marcus.

    Kor
     
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  16. Timo

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    What respect? Calling her "the Boss Man's daughter" would be at least as demeaning. if that were the goal. But Kirk wouldn't leave it at that. And Mitchell wouldn't settle for that, either, if he could show off with having "created strategy" for the Admiral's progeny.

    In the end, trying to associate the blonde lab tech with Carol Marcus hinges on the hair color and nothing else. And from what we saw in TOS, Kirk preferred blondes in general.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  17. CorporalClegg

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    But isn't nothing else. The "almost married her" comment is the key component. There's only so many super-serious relationships one person can have in a lifetime, especially for a service person prone to extensive time (years) away and is most well-known for his fleeting relationships.

    And their chemistry in WOK clearly implies their relationship did at one point exceed fling or even one-time boy/girlfriend to something really intimate. So if we treat them as different people and add Antiona to the mix, it starts to become a bit unrealistic.

    ...nevermind demonstrating a dysfunctional fear of commitment.
     
  18. UssGlenn

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    It hinges on Hair color and a job in the hard sciences. Plus, I suspect Mitchell graduated within a semester of that meeting, so he may not have known her any more than very casually. For all we know he's completely forgotten her name.
     
  19. Timo

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    Quite possibly he has. Not the fact that she's Boss' Daughter, tho. That is, assuming she was.

    And everybody in Trek works either in the hard sciences or then law. And Kirk does prefer blondes, and serious relationships - and serially so; that much is already established. What would make "fear of commitment" a counterargument here?

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  20. Noname Given

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    To be fair - the line was "Walking Freezer-Unit". ;)
     
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