The discussion here, although brief, is what made me go back and rewatch Worst case scenario. And my opinion on that one improved as a result.
Voyager season 3
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Of course it did. There's a reason why it's my fav epScorpion rocked...
.And what about the continuation of Voyager's (and your
) journey? Are we going to have a Voyager season 4 thread soon?
To me False Profits is 'Worst episode ever' level bad. Only possibly matched by Threshold and the Fair Haven eps. It nearly made me quit the show.
It's basically a combination of all the worst things Voyager does. Missing out on a chance to get back home (Which the audience knows from the start will happen because it's not the series finale) by a series of events that required completely incompetent ship security and 'Moral busybody' syndrome. Complete with a strange interpretation of the prime directive that required convoluted plans, and a TNG season 1 cartoonish interpretation of the Ferengi.
False Profits is the Voyager equivalent of if DS9 had an episode where Dr Bashir hit on Lwaxana Troi while treating her for a deadly infection manifest from people's imagination trapped in a board game played by a gender reassigned Quark against a racist Vulcan, Vic Fontaine and a real manifest children's folklore character.
It's basically a combination of all the worst things Voyager does. Missing out on a chance to get back home (Which the audience knows from the start will happen because it's not the series finale) by a series of events that required completely incompetent ship security and 'Moral busybody' syndrome. Complete with a strange interpretation of the prime directive that required convoluted plans, and a TNG season 1 cartoonish interpretation of the Ferengi.
False Profits is the Voyager equivalent of if DS9 had an episode where Dr Bashir hit on Lwaxana Troi while treating her for a deadly infection manifest from people's imagination trapped in a board game played by a gender reassigned Quark against a racist Vulcan, Vic Fontaine and a real manifest children's folklore character.
Of course it did. There's a reason why it's my fav ep
And what about the continuation of Voyager's (and your
on Scorpion...and I'll probably post the season 4 thread sometime tomorrow... I'm up to Scientific Method I think so far.Agree on FP. I disliked that one pretty moderately when I watched it and I have no desire to go back and rewatch to give it another chance. I wasn't a fan of Threshold either (though the general concept I did find interesting), but if I had been expecting to see stuff like
Paris coughing his tongue out
Top few episodes-Distant Origin, Sacred Ground, Future's End, Basics, and I'd say Unity.
I know that some watchers have some reproaches to make to Kate Mulgrew in ST: Voyager (her voice, her acting, her refusal to see J/C involved romantically, her character) but I hope that they are enough honest to recognize her professionalism. Yes, she didn't get along with Jeri Ryan but it seems to me that it was never seen on the screen, because both were able to put their "disenchantment" aside to do their job. Besides, isn't it what we ask the actors, to perform as if they were in the character's?!
I liked the episode marking Kes departure, not because Jennifer Lien was written off but because, the scene between Janeway and Kes, in the quarters of the latter, was moving. The hug and tears were not acted but very real. In fact, in this room, it wasn't Kes & Janeway talking a last time anymore but Jennifer Lien and Kate Mulgrew sharing a hug and crying. We can guess how both were close.
I would like to sum up my favorite episodes of Voyager and some of my least favorite episodes as well.
Note that since the episodes "Projections" "Elogium", "Twisted" and "The 37's" were produced as season 1 episodes, I list them in my season 1 review. However, I have ut them into brackets in season 2 for those who prefer to list them as season 2 episodes:
Season 1
1. Caretaker, 5 points
2. Projections, 5 points
3. Time And Again, 5 points
4. Jetrel, 5 points
5. Ex Post Facto, 4 points
6. State of Flux, 4 points
7. Cathexis, 4 points
8. Twisted, 3 points
9. Eye Of The Needle, 3 points
10. The 37.s, 3 points
11. Learning Curve, 3 points
12. The Cloud, 3 points
13. Prime Factors, 3 points
14. Parallax, 3 points
15. Faces, 3 points
16. Phage, 3 points
17. Heroes And Demons, 2 points
18. Elogium, 1 point
19. Emanations, 1 point
Season 2
1. Cold Fire, 5 points
2. Persistence Of Vision, 5 points
3. Basics #1, 5 points
(4. Projections), 5 points
4. Alliances, 5 points
5. Meld, 5 points
6. Tuvix, 5 points
7. Investigations, 4 points
8. The Thaw, 4 points
9. Resistance, 4 points
(10. Twisted), 4 points
10. Parturition, 4 points
11. Innocence, 4 points
12. Initiations, 3 points
13. Maneuvers, 3 points
(13. The 37's), 3 points
14. Resolutions, 3 points
15. Prototype, 3 points
16. Tattoo, 3 points
17. Lifesigns, 3 points
18. Non Sequitur, 3 points
19. Death Wish, 3 points
20. Dreadnought, 2 points
21. Deadlock, 2 points
(21. Elogium), 1 point
22. Threshold, 1 point
Season 3
1. Basics#2, 5 points
2. Warlord, 5 points
3. The Swarm, 5 points
4. Darkling, 5 points
5. Futures's End (part 1 and 2), 5 points
6. Before And After, 4 points
7. Fair Trade, 4 points
8. Remember, 4 points
9. Flashback, 4 points
10. Distant Origin, 4 points
11. False Profits, 3 points
12. Sacred Ground, 3 points
13. Favorite Son, 3 points
14. Unity, 3 points
15. Displaced, 3 points
16. Worst Case Scenario, 3 points
17. The Chute, 3 points
18. Rise, 2 points
19. Alter Ego, 2 points
120. The Q And The Grey, 2 points
21. Coda, 2 points
22. Scorpion, 1 point
23. Macrocosm, 1 point
24. Real Life, 1 point
25. Blood Fever, 1 point
Best of all seasons
1. Cold Fire, 5 points
2. Persistence Of Vision, 5 points
3. Caretaker, 5 points
4. Warlord, 5 points
5. Basics 5 points
6. Projections, 5 points
7. The Swarm, 5 points
8. Darkling, 5 points
9. Time And Again, 5 points
10. Jetrel, 5 points
11. Futures's End (part 1 and 2), 5 points
12. Alliances, 5 point
13. Meld, 5 points
14. Tuvix, 5 points
15. Investigations, 4 points
16. Ex Post Facto, 4 points
17. Fair Trade, 4 points
18. The Thaw, 4 points
19. Nemesis, 4 points
20. Before And After, 4 points
Worst episodes, all seasons:
1. That insulting piece of crap episode in season 6
2. The Gift
3. Endgame
4. Mortal Coil
5. Message In A Bottle
Note that since the episodes "Projections" "Elogium", "Twisted" and "The 37's" were produced as season 1 episodes, I list them in my season 1 review. However, I have ut them into brackets in season 2 for those who prefer to list them as season 2 episodes:
Season 1
1. Caretaker, 5 points
2. Projections, 5 points
3. Time And Again, 5 points
4. Jetrel, 5 points
5. Ex Post Facto, 4 points
6. State of Flux, 4 points
7. Cathexis, 4 points
8. Twisted, 3 points
9. Eye Of The Needle, 3 points
10. The 37.s, 3 points
11. Learning Curve, 3 points
12. The Cloud, 3 points
13. Prime Factors, 3 points
14. Parallax, 3 points
15. Faces, 3 points
16. Phage, 3 points
17. Heroes And Demons, 2 points
18. Elogium, 1 point
19. Emanations, 1 point
Season 2
1. Cold Fire, 5 points
2. Persistence Of Vision, 5 points
3. Basics #1, 5 points
(4. Projections), 5 points
4. Alliances, 5 points
5. Meld, 5 points
6. Tuvix, 5 points
7. Investigations, 4 points
8. The Thaw, 4 points
9. Resistance, 4 points
(10. Twisted), 4 points
10. Parturition, 4 points
11. Innocence, 4 points
12. Initiations, 3 points
13. Maneuvers, 3 points
(13. The 37's), 3 points
14. Resolutions, 3 points
15. Prototype, 3 points
16. Tattoo, 3 points
17. Lifesigns, 3 points
18. Non Sequitur, 3 points
19. Death Wish, 3 points
20. Dreadnought, 2 points
21. Deadlock, 2 points
(21. Elogium), 1 point
22. Threshold, 1 point
Season 3
1. Basics#2, 5 points
2. Warlord, 5 points
3. The Swarm, 5 points
4. Darkling, 5 points
5. Futures's End (part 1 and 2), 5 points
6. Before And After, 4 points
7. Fair Trade, 4 points
8. Remember, 4 points
9. Flashback, 4 points
10. Distant Origin, 4 points
11. False Profits, 3 points
12. Sacred Ground, 3 points
13. Favorite Son, 3 points
14. Unity, 3 points
15. Displaced, 3 points
16. Worst Case Scenario, 3 points
17. The Chute, 3 points
18. Rise, 2 points
19. Alter Ego, 2 points
120. The Q And The Grey, 2 points
21. Coda, 2 points
22. Scorpion, 1 point
23. Macrocosm, 1 point
24. Real Life, 1 point
25. Blood Fever, 1 point
Best of all seasons
1. Cold Fire, 5 points
2. Persistence Of Vision, 5 points
3. Caretaker, 5 points
4. Warlord, 5 points
5. Basics 5 points
6. Projections, 5 points
7. The Swarm, 5 points
8. Darkling, 5 points
9. Time And Again, 5 points
10. Jetrel, 5 points
11. Futures's End (part 1 and 2), 5 points
12. Alliances, 5 point
13. Meld, 5 points
14. Tuvix, 5 points
15. Investigations, 4 points
16. Ex Post Facto, 4 points
17. Fair Trade, 4 points
18. The Thaw, 4 points
19. Nemesis, 4 points
20. Before And After, 4 points
Worst episodes, all seasons:
1. That insulting piece of crap episode in season 6
2. The Gift
3. Endgame
4. Mortal Coil
5. Message In A Bottle
Best?
They are horrible.
1. That insulting piece of crap episode in season 6
A sick, disgusting and insulting episode which never should have been made. Worst episode ever in any TV series.
2. The Gift
A thin, unconvincing story only written for the shady purpose of kicking out a great character. It looks like the "writer" wrote it on his 5 minuets coffee-break ore when he was sitting on the toilet.
3. Endgame
Boring, confusing and insulting episode. Voyager would have deserved something better as end episode.
4. Mortal Coil
Mean episode which trashed Neelix's hope of seeing his loved ones in the afterlife. Plus Super-Seven bringing people back to life after they died. Yes, she could repair anything, no matter if it was the warp core, dead people or Janeway's hair-dryer.
5. Message In A Bottle
Ruined the whole premise of the show. Voyager was supposed to be lost in space with no one on Earth knowing if they were dead or alive, remember?
I could easily name a few other from the later seasons as well, like that one when they tried to re-make seasons 1, 2 and 3 as if Seven had been on board during the whole mission.
This is an excellent post... I agree with every word. Though I haven't seen too many of the later season eps I have seen several that include substantial interaction between Mulgrew's and Ryan's characters and you would never, ever know that there were any negative vibes between the two. That really speaks to the professionalism of both actors, and it's the reason (as you say) that we watch the show. I also totally agree on that particular scene when Kes departs... that really seemed to be heartfelt emotion and, maybe some of it was, but Mulgrew has (imo) a really genuine presence on screen, and I think it's partly because she's able to successfully harness her emotions and channel them into the scene/role. You can really see this in her facial expressions at times (the closing shot in Tuvix was another I can recall immediately).
@Lynx Many thanks for your lists, points, and opinion of the eps! As I've said before- I love those ranked lists that you post. I don't agree with you on all the eps (diversity is key!), but I love reading your thoughts on them....
Thanks for the appreciation of my lists and reviews, even if some of my reviews aren't that nice. As for more detailed reviews of the season 1-3 episodes, please visit the Kes Website (link below).This is an excellent post... I agree with every word. Though I haven't seen too many of the later season eps I have seen several that include substantial interaction between Mulgrew's and Ryan's characters and you would never, ever know that there were any negative vibes between the two. That really speaks to the professionalism of both actors, and it's the reason (as you say) that we watch the show. I also totally agree on that particular scene when Kes departs... that really seemed to be heartfelt emotion and, maybe some of it was, but Mulgrew has (imo) a really genuine presence on screen, and I think it's partly because she's able to successfully harness her emotions and channel them into the scene/role. You can really see this in her facial expressions at times (the closing shot in Tuvix was another I can recall immediately).
@Lynx Many thanks for your lists, points, and opinion of the eps! As I've said before- I love those ranked lists that you post. I don't agree with you on all the eps (diversity is key!), but I love reading your thoughts on them....
As for the seasons 4-7 episodes, it will be more difficult to review those because I only watched them once and that was back in 2000-2001, in fact I quit watching after a certain episode so I haven't watched season 7 except for "Endgame" and that episode is not a favorite, to say the least. In fact, the season 4-7 episodes I remember most was the really bad ones.
However, there were a few episodes I really liked, such as "Nemesis", "Equinox" and "Blink Of An Eye".
"Nemesis" because it's probably the best Chakotay episode and the other two for having some unique concepts.
Holy rotten spoilers, Batman!Best?
They are horrible.
1. That insulting piece of crap episode in season 6
A sick, disgusting and insulting episode which never should have been made. Worst episode ever in any TV series.
2. The Gift
A thin, unconvincing story only written for the shady purpose of kicking out a great character. It looks like the "writer" wrote it on his 5 minuets coffee-break ore when he was sitting on the toilet.
3. Endgame
Boring, confusing and insulting episode. Voyager would have deserved something better as end episode.
4. Mortal Coil
Mean episode which trashed Neelix's hope of seeing his loved ones in the afterlife. Plus Super-Seven bringing people back to life after they died. Yes, she could repair anything, no matter if it was the warp core, dead people or Janeway's hair-dryer.
5. Message In A Bottle
Ruined the whole premise of the show. Voyager was supposed to be lost in space with no one on Earth knowing if they were dead or alive, remember?
I could easily name a few other from the later seasons as well, like that one when they tried to re-make seasons 1, 2 and 3 as if Seven had been on board during the whole mission.
Thanks Robin!
Not too much information in my spoilers, maybe only in "Mortal Coil" but it was hard to avoid mentioning what was terrible in that episode.
Favorites of Season 4:
The Gift
Nemesis
The Raven
Scientific Method
Concerning Flight
Message in a Bottle
Hunters
Living Witness
Demon
One
Hope and Fear
"Revulsion" is a very good episode, but I don't like watching it.
The few I didn't mention are all pretty good, I think. Everyone loves "Year of Hell." Two of the Chakotay episodes are bottle episodes, and don't seem to be very popular among fans, but I've always really liked them. They are "Waking Moments," and "Unforgettable." Apparently, Unforgettable is Robert Beltran's favorite episode of the series.
"Vis a Vis" is an interesting Paris episode. It's weird, but a good character study.
"Random Thoughts" is a B'elanna/Tuvok episode, and they have great chemistry on screen.
"Prey" is good, with a bold writing decision at the end.
The episode in between "Prey" and "Killing Game" (I can't remember the name)is a good story, and well done, but it gets me really angry at the captain and doctor.
The only ones I'm not too keen on are "Omega Directive," and "The Killing Game."
I listed this as a favorite, but (I'd just like to mention)I think "Hunters" is so underrated. It's such a good episode, and starts an ongoing arc that goes through season 7.
Did I miss any?
The Gift
Nemesis
The Raven
Scientific Method
Concerning Flight
Message in a Bottle
Hunters
Living Witness
Demon
One
Hope and Fear
"Revulsion" is a very good episode, but I don't like watching it.
The few I didn't mention are all pretty good, I think. Everyone loves "Year of Hell." Two of the Chakotay episodes are bottle episodes, and don't seem to be very popular among fans, but I've always really liked them. They are "Waking Moments," and "Unforgettable." Apparently, Unforgettable is Robert Beltran's favorite episode of the series.
"Vis a Vis" is an interesting Paris episode. It's weird, but a good character study.
"Random Thoughts" is a B'elanna/Tuvok episode, and they have great chemistry on screen.
"Prey" is good, with a bold writing decision at the end.
The episode in between "Prey" and "Killing Game" (I can't remember the name)is a good story, and well done, but it gets me really angry at the captain and doctor.
The only ones I'm not too keen on are "Omega Directive," and "The Killing Game."
I listed this as a favorite, but (I'd just like to mention)I think "Hunters" is so underrated. It's such a good episode, and starts an ongoing arc that goes through season 7.
Did I miss any?
Rock & roll, Prax! 
I've seen these of your favorites, so far:
The Gift
Nemesis
The Raven
Scientific Method
...and liked all of them, though I didn't specifically mention Scientific Method yet: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/voyager-season-4.289580/
I've seen these of your favorites, so far:
The Gift
Nemesis
The Raven
Scientific Method
...and liked all of them, though I didn't specifically mention Scientific Method yet: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/voyager-season-4.289580/
So this is a season 3 thread
Watching Warlord, Janeway seems rather unconcerned about Ensign Yellowshirt being killed. There's also the old "neelix as whipping boy" when Paris and Kim change his holodeck program, a continuous story frame for the next 4 years.
Does make me wonder how Kes's story would continue through to season 7.
Watching Warlord, Janeway seems rather unconcerned about Ensign Yellowshirt being killed. There's also the old "neelix as whipping boy" when Paris and Kim change his holodeck program, a continuous story frame for the next 4 years.
Does make me wonder how Kes's story would continue through to season 7.
You say "all seasons" when you only list 3 seasons
I enjoy that episode as well. I liked how she left and the "gift" she gave them. I kind of thought the goodbye between her and Janeway was a little overdone. I don't think Lien is that great at expressing strong emotion.
What on earth are you talking about?
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