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Voyager season 3

Okay, fair enough, then my perception is off on this one... I guess I fell into the "giving VOY a hard time" bucket on this one, but not the 7 of 9 issue that I just mentioned in the s4 thread. ;)
If you are referring to your comment of Seven not getting more screen time than others then I agree. Yes in season 4 she got a tad more focus, but she was new and needed to be established. After that she got about the same as most characters. Some characters like Tuvok, Harry, and Neelix didn't get that much focus but everyone else had several episodes a season that were focused on them and that they had large parts in.
 
If you are referring to your comment of Seven not getting more screen time than others then I agree.

Yep, that's exactly what I was referring to. Most of them seem to be getting pretty equal screen time, so far... or at least she certainly is not taking a higher % of time. I can already see the development for Chak declining though (though his actual screen time seems the same)
 
Does anyone remember which thread it was that someone posted the great breakdown of every episode by featured character?
 
Yep, that's exactly what I was referring to. Most of them seem to be getting pretty equal screen time, so far... or at least she certainly is not taking a higher % of time. I can already see the development for Chak declining though (though his actual screen time seems the same)
With Chakotay I always figured there was a connection with his character loosing screen time and the actor's attitude. I know this has been talked about but I think there could be a connection. If he goes publicly and talks about not bothering to open a script, then perhaps the people writing the script are not bothering to give him anything to read.
 
Well in fairnes...if she (or any actor) doesn't want the "enthusiasm" then she shouldn't go to conventions where they will interact with her fans.
Well ... going by the stupid questions they sometimes get from fans I'm not surprised that they can occasionally get rude. I've only been to two conventions in my life (one Star Trek and one Star Wars) and fans' behaviour (as well as their costumes) put me off the whole thing.
 
Well ... going by the stupid questions they sometimes get from fans I'm not surprised that they can occasionally get rude. I've only been to two conventions in my life (one Star Trek and one Star Wars) and fans' behaviour (as well as their costumes) put me off the whole thing.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience. For me, I've been to dozens of conventions. For the most part the fans are great. Of course since there are so many people statisticly speaking you will get the occasional jerk. The questions they ask are usually thoughtful and intelligent. Of course there are repeat questions and questions from small children that are silly. It has been quite rare that I've seen someone give a really...what's the word, stereotypically "nerdy" question.

I have had one very negative experience at a convention but it had nothing to do with the fans. It was when George Takei was on the Howard Stern show, so those guys were at the con with him. They were walking around in Jedi robes and making fun of everyone there. I watched them pull fans asside to conduct an interview (this is common as many websites do con reports and talk to fans) but the questions they asked were mean, like "do you live in your mom's basement?" "Have you ever kissed a girl/seen a girl naked?"
 
I have been going to conventions for 12 years... most of them being DragonCon, and a few others. I have found that the congoers are virtually all really cool people... thoughtful, intelligent, fun people that are all there for the same reasons you are. You can easily strike up a conversation with anyone there, and you can make some lifelong friendships there.

Yes, there is the occasional douchebag, but they are so rare to find, you would have better odds getting struck by lightning... twice.

The fans come from every walk of life... teachers, engineers, students, retail managers, doctors. And they all go to watch panels, talk to actors, attend writers shops, and just go to have a good time with like minded people.

I think the best sentence to describe us is that we are as hardcore as a stadium full of football fans, but without the douchebag behavior.

And to use word fusion to create a word to describe us, we are a fan family.

A "fanily".
 
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Obviously I can';t answer this because I wasn't on this forum then, but the links below have line counts/character for each episode. It's pretty cool... and somewhat related to screen time I would imagine:
http://www.chakoteya.net/Voyager/LineCountS1-S3.htm
http://www.chakoteya.net/Voyager/LineCountS4-S7.htm
Interesting someone went to all the trouble. Although line counts don't tell you the whole story either. When the writers realized Shatner was counting lines, they began padding his part with short meaningless sentences. :lol:
 
O have been going to conventions for 12 years... most of them being DragonCon, and a few others. I have found that the congoers are virtually all really cool people... thoughtful, intelligent, fun people that are all there for the same reasons you are. You can easily strike up a conversation with anyone there, and you can make some lifelong friendships there.

Yes, there is the occasional douchebag, but they are so rare to find, you would have better odds getting struck by lightning... twice.

The fans come from every walk of life... teachers, engineers, students, retail managers, doctors. And they all go to watch panels, talk to actors, attend writers shops, and just go to have a good time with like minded people.

I think the best sentence to describe us is that we are as hardcore as a stadium full of football fans, but without the douchebag behavior.

And to use word fusion to create a word to describe us, we are a fan family.

A "fanily".
I went to Dragon Con once and it wasn't my favorite Con. I feel like it was too big and disorganized. I was so mad that I had to miss the Voyager panel. We went to line up for the panel well in advance. There was a sign there and a volunteer shooing people away until 2 hours before the panel start time when we could start lining up. We came back 2 and a half hours before the start time and found an incredibly long line already formed, it snaked through the building and outside (august in Atlanta GA, standing outside in the sun not good times). I also didn't like having to go from hotel to hotel to hotel for all the different things going on.
 
Whipper snapper? I had to look this one up ... So apparently I am young ... At least in your eyes ... :guffaw:
You betcha, TE, you handsome young thing, you!
“Whipper snapper” was probably not the best word choice, since it is a bit archaic now and means like a smart aleck (or worse). I had an uncle who used to live upstairs from my grandmother. When I’d stay with my grandmother, he would stop by in the morning and say (with an intermountain drawl) “How are you two young ladies this morning?” My grandmother was in her eighties by then, and she would be so tickled that her son-in-law would always call her “a young lady”.

For the actors this was just a job... When people complain about how this or that actor was rude to them at a convention, I always think "just leave him/her alone then. (S)he probably doesn't want your ... enthusiasm (for lack of a stronger word ...)"
Yes, a job, exactly. Perhaps some fans don’t realize that saying lines someone wrote for you (figuring out how to say them, the body language, etc) is a different set of skills from doing essentially “improv” on stage, or interacting with complete strangers. I’ve heard Brent Spiner wouldn't do the conventions because he’s very shy. As someone who was shy in my younger years, and also did some drama in college (seeing both extroverts and introverts who went into acting), I can appreciate all of that. I waited between 2-3 hours in line to get an autograph from Robert Beltran at the Galaxy Ball I went to (also from Picardo & Robbieboy but for me RB was the main event). In retrospect, I think he must have been tired because he was kind of quiet, especially compared to Robbie who had been quite chatty. But for Beltran it wasn’t just an event he showed up to, it was his deal, for his charity. He had other people running it, but it was his responsibility for everything to go well. Still, I had thought for weeks what I would say that might be a little different from everybody else and in a positive way. It worked and I got a good response. So he’s OK in my book. :luvlove:

Now, I will say that was the year 2000. I saw on Youtube an appearance of his some years earlier where he came out kind of nervous and said, “This is the first time I’ve done one of these sober.”(!) And I think someone on this forum said they ran into him at some event where they could tell he’d been drinking, so maybe it was true. Maybe it took awhile for him to get comfortable with the appearances. I don’t know and don’t really care (They say Richard Dawson from Hogan's Heroes used to host the Family Feud a bit drunk because the live TV aspect of it was a bit terrifying). It’s not that important to me, except as an observer of people. I mean, Picardo kept telling the same dumb dirty joke over and over again that I thought was idiotic, but it’s not a big deal to me.

I do have to say I agree with you that some of the fan questions during the Q&A can be pretty stupid (at least at this event I went to). And half the time was wasted with fans just telling them how wonderful they were. Why don’t they wait to tell them all that when they get the autograph? Just ask your question. Instead, everyone else had to endure their “private conversation.” "Do you remember me...?" Arrrgh :klingon:

Yes, the Internet makes the world a very small one indeed. Albeit, the virtual world only. It still doesn't sort out the problem of me just beaming over to your place (for a slice of strawberry cake and a glass of freshly squeezed orange juice if you please, thank you :D:D:D) and discussing VOY in person.
Mind you, you have a lot to catch up with then. I am your first Hungarian but I have talked to a few hundred Americans so far! :hugegrin:
That would be fun! :beer: And I suspect I’ll never be able to catch up to you with the Hungarians. Does watching Eva Gabor on “Green Acres” count--? :angel:

In FAIR TRADE for example, there are two at least: the final discussion between Neelix and Janeway is a gem ... but I also really liked when Neelix asked Tommy about what he'd done wrong in his life and Tom told him the only mistake he'd made was not tell the truth (these are not his actual words but he says something to this effect). These two scenes always stand out when I think of that episode ... and a positive proof of what I've already mentioned earlier: the family feeling that no other show is capable of recreating save VOY. (However, there are a lot of shows that "excel" at creating an anti-family feel, most notably that horrible StarGate Universe. The pain! But that's a discussion for another board.)
Yes, and another good Tom-Neexlix scene is in “Repentence”where Neelix starts having sympathy for one of the inmates. Tom tries to tell him that in prison “everybody has a story. I didn’t take too much stock in them and you shouldn’t either.”It was a good warning as Neelix learns that the guy was playing him.

I loved Star Gate the movie, but never got into the series. I had a friend who was really into it and I read her fan fiction, so she would have to catch me up on the series to understand her story. It did seem like they did some annoying and eternally frustrating things with the characters. Hasta luego.
 
You betcha, TE, you handsome young thing, you!
“Whipper snapper” was probably not the best word choice, since it is a bit archaic now and means like a smart aleck (or worse). I had an uncle who used to live upstairs from my grandmother. When I’d stay with my grandmother, he would stop by in the morning and say (with an intermountain drawl) “How are you two young ladies this morning?” My grandmother was in her eighties by then, and she would be so tickled that her son-in-law would always call her “a young lady”.


Yes, a job, exactly. Perhaps some fans don’t realize that saying lines someone wrote for you (figuring out how to say them, the body language, etc) is a different set of skills from doing essentially “improv” on stage, or interacting with complete strangers. I’ve heard Brent Spiner wouldn't do the conventions because he’s very shy. As someone who was shy in my younger years, and also did some drama in college (seeing both extroverts and introverts who went into acting), I can appreciate all of that. I waited between 2-3 hours in line to get an autograph from Robert Beltran at the Galaxy Ball I went to (also from Picardo & Robbieboy but for me RB was the main event). In retrospect, I think he must have been tired because he was kind of quiet, especially compared to Robbie who had been quite chatty. But for Beltran it wasn’t just an event he showed up to, it was his deal, for his charity. He had other people running it, but it was his responsibility for everything to go well. Still, I had thought for weeks what I would say that might be a little different from everybody else and in a positive way. It worked and I got a good response. So he’s OK in my book. :luvlove:

Now, I will say that was the year 2000. I saw on Youtube an appearance of his some years earlier where he came out kind of nervous and said, “This is the first time I’ve done one of these sober.”(!) And I think someone on this forum said they ran into him at some event where they could tell he’d been drinking, so maybe it was true. Maybe it took awhile for him to get comfortable with the appearances. I don’t know and don’t really care (They say Richard Dawson from Hogan's Heroes used to host the Family Feud a bit drunk because the live TV aspect of it was a bit terrifying). It’s not that important to me, except as an observer of people. I mean, Picardo kept telling the same dumb dirty joke over and over again that I thought was idiotic, but it’s not a big deal to me.

I do have to say I agree with you that some of the fan questions during the Q&A can be pretty stupid (at least at this event I went to). And half the time was wasted with fans just telling them how wonderful they were. Why don’t they wait to tell them all that when they get the autograph? Just ask your question. Instead, everyone else had to endure their “private conversation.” "Do you remember me...?" Arrrgh :klingon:


That would be fun! :beer: And I suspect I’ll never be able to catch up to you with the Hungarians. Does watching Eva Gabor on “Green Acres” count--? :angel:


Yes, and another good Tom-Neexlix scene is in “Repentence”where Neelix starts having sympathy for one of the inmates. Tom tries to tell him that in prison “everybody has a story. I didn’t take too much stock in them and you shouldn’t either.”It was a good warning as Neelix learns that the guy was playing him.

I loved Star Gate the movie, but never got into the series. I had a friend who was really into it and I read her fan fiction, so she would have to catch me up on the series to understand her story. It did seem like they did some annoying and eternally frustrating things with the characters. Hasta luego.
For the record, Brent Spiner does a LOT of conventions, I'll be seeing him at the end of the month!
 
Yeah, I was browsing youtube Trek convention videos tonight and noticed he was on some. Even so, I do recall sometime early on the actress who plays Deanna was asked why Spiner wasn't doing conventions. He obviously got over that, which is a good thing. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :whistle:
 
I'm sorry you had a bad experience.
I do have to say I agree with you that some of the fan questions during the Q&A can be pretty stupid (at least at this event I went to). And half the time was wasted with fans just telling them how wonderful they were. Why don’t they wait to tell them all that when they get the autograph? Just ask your question. Instead, everyone else had to endure their “private conversation.” "Do you remember me...?" Arrrgh :klingon:
Patrick Stewart came to Budapest and when the Q & A started, he asked the fans not to ask him questions about plot points. He actually told us that he didn't really remember most of the things and anyway he had only played that role and usually had no idea what was going on, esp. if it was something technological.
Of course, the very first question he got was about why the Federation had done this and that when two seasons earlier the Romulans had said this and that - something along those lines ... I was rolling my eyes. Luckily, PS seemed to have a good sense of humour so he handled the situation very well ... but I had the inclination to walk up to that idiot and hit him on the head with a hammer shouting "Look, this is exactly what he has just asked you NOT to do ..." (I exercised self-restraint though and didn't do anything, of course). Out of the, say, fifty questions, forty were in similar vein ... I just couldn't believe it.
But like I said, Stewart bore it with a brave face - and he seemed to have a very good sense of humour. I really grew fond of him - no small feat in my case, considering I can't bear to watch Picard ...
The other thing was all those "fans" that appeared in some kind of ST costume - expressing their disdain with every single look towards us, ordinary mortals who were not cosplaying. I went as myself and had the misfortune to have a seat between a Klingon warrior and a Borg drone ... The glances they were throwing at me ... spoke volumes. You could sense in the air that there was a real danger of being assimilated any minute by that guy sitting on my left ... :ouch::ouch::ouch:

You betcha, TE, you handsome young thing, you!
“Whipper snapper” was probably not the best word choice, since it is a bit archaic now and means like a smart aleck (or worse). I had an uncle who used to live upstairs from my grandmother. When I’d stay with my grandmother, he would stop by in the morning and say (with an intermountain drawl) “How are you two young ladies this morning?” My grandmother was in her eighties by then, and she would be so tickled that her son-in-law would always call her “a young lady”.
Oh, please carry on with these old-fashioned words - there's a reason I am an English teacher, I just love to learn new words! So don't hold back and throw your most distinguished vocabulary at me, please ... :guffaw::guffaw::guffaw:
And as a former student of languages, I am used to "archaic". We read everything from Chaucer through Shakespeare to Dickens at university ... Also working our way through Goethe's Faust in German written with the letters of the Gothic alphabet wasn't exactly our idea of fun ... but at least it made us get used to archaic texts.

That would be fun! :beer: And I suspect I’ll never be able to catch up to you with the Hungarians. Does watching Eva Gabor on “Green Acres” count--? :angel:
If you've ever talked to her, then she does.
How about Europeans? Does that help with the count? :D

Yes, and another good Tom-Neexlix scene is in “Repentence”where Neelix starts having sympathy for one of the inmates. Tom tries to tell him that in prison “everybody has a story. I didn’t take too much stock in them and you shouldn’t either.”It was a good warning as Neelix learns that the guy was playing him.
I love REPENTANCE. Especially the scene between Janeway and Seven at the end. Also the fact that no matter who you are, astronomy is one thing that most of us find fascinating. The stars have these appeal to them that nothing or no one else has. And this much was apparent from that episode, I think.

I loved Star Gate the movie, but never got into the series. I had a friend who was really into it and I read her fan fiction, so she would have to catch me up on the series to understand her story. It did seem like they did some annoying and eternally frustrating things with the characters. Hasta luego.
I don't understand the last two words but they remind me of the Terminator - a series I also really like. As for StarGate, I can't even begin to think what things your friends found annoying about the characters. To me, StarGate SG-1 is the second best show after VOY - so you have a real SG fan here. Add Star Wars to this and it'll become apparent that my favourite shows/films usually include the word "star" in their titles ... :brickwall::brickwall::brickwall:
 
I loved Star Gate the movie, but never got into the series. I had a friend who was really into it and I read her fan fiction, so she would have to catch me up on the series to understand her story. It did seem like they did some annoying and eternally frustrating things with the characters. Hasta luego.

For me it was the opposite way around. I wasn't that impressed by the movie but I really like both Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis.

After "The Gift" I stopped watching Voyager. It took two years before I did start watching it again, borrowing VHS tapes to catch up with what was going on in the series and since TNG was finished and one of my channels only aired the first season of DS9, I had to look for something else so I found Stargate. I really liked the characters and the interaction between them. The same for Stargate Atlantis which I also found very good, sort of Voyager feeling over it, not to mention that Stargate Atlantis had one of the best villains in any series, The Wraith.

So I was very dissapointed that they scrapped Stargate Atlantis after only five seasons and came up with the horrible Stargate Universe instead.

However, nothing beats the Star Trek Universe with all its interesting species and exciting plots.

In recent years I've started to watch DS9 and I've really started to like that series. Unfortunately my DS9 watching had been somewhat delayed due to bad quality of the CD.s in the box which has forced me to buy certain seasons again (more about that in the DS9 forum) but I'm into season 6 now and most of the characters there have really grown on me during the watching of the series.

Still Voyager's seasons 1,2 and 3 remains my favorites! :bolian:
 
Interesting someone went to all the trouble. Although line counts don't tell you the whole story either. When the writers realized Shatner was counting lines, they began padding his part with short meaningless sentences. :lol:
Oh, that's funny... and somehow it seems very much in line with Shatner's personality for him to be counting lines. :lol:
And, yes, line counts don't tell the whole story, but they may tell some of it (unless a character had a lot of screen time with no dialogue or speaking parts).

But, if anyone ever finds the thread in question I'd be very interested to read it....
 
For me it was the opposite way around. I wasn't that impressed by the movie but I really like both Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis.

After "The Gift" I stopped watching Voyager. It took two years before I did start watching it again, borrowing VHS tapes to catch up with what was going on in the series and since TNG was finished and one of my channels only aired the first season of DS9, I had to look for something else so I found Stargate. I really liked the characters and the interaction between them. The same for Stargate Atlantis which I also found very good, sort of Voyager feeling over it, not to mention that Stargate Atlantis had one of the best villains in any series, The Wraith.

So I was very dissapointed that they scrapped Stargate Atlantis after only five seasons and came up with the horrible Stargate Universe instead.

However, nothing beats the Star Trek Universe with all its interesting species and exciting plots.

In recent years I've started to watch DS9 and I've really started to like that series. Unfortunately my DS9 watching had been somewhat delayed due to bad quality of the CD.s in the box which has forced me to buy certain seasons again (more about that in the DS9 forum) but I'm into season 6 now and most of the characters there have really grown on me during the watching of the series.

Still Voyager's seasons 1,2 and 3 remains my favorites! :bolian:
Do you have streaming services like Netflix or Hulu? The series are all available. They are also availble streaming on Netflix.
 
Do you have streaming services like Netflix or Hulu? The series are all available. They are also availble streaming on Netflix.
We do have Netflix here in Scandinavia but I'm not sure if Voyager is available on that one.

If there is, I might take a look at some of the later episodes, at least one in season 5 where my second favorite after Kes shows up.
Flotter :hugegrin:

More about that in the upcoming season 5 thread. ;)
 
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