Voyager season 3
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Yeah....what Prax said!
Coincidence that Brannon Braga wrote both "Genesis" and "MACROCOSM"?
Whipper snapper? I had to look this one up ... So apparently I am young ... At least in your eyes ...
Voyager is best at family ... no other show can do that with such excellence. When people comment on my wallpapers saying that there are a few unusual pairings in my pictures, I always think "wow, that's a strange idea. On Voyager there is no such thing as a strange pairing, everyone is friends with everyone else (I'm talking about main characters)".
For the actors this was just a job. Look at Kate Mulgrew at conventions. Whenever an episode title comes up, she goes like "what on earth are you talking about?" She really has no idea most of the time. Still she played the best character in human history in my book - so that's okay. When people complain about how this or that actor was rude to them at a convention, I always think "just leave him/her alone then. (S)he probably doesn't want your ... enthusiasm (for lack of a stronger word ...)"
Yes, the Internet makes the world a very small one indeed. Albeit, the virtual world only. It still doesn't sort out the problem of me just beaming over to your place (for a slice of strawberry cake and a glass of freshly squeezed orange juice if you please, thank you
) and discussing VOY in person.Mind you, you have a lot to catch up with then. I am your first Hungarian but I have talked to a few hundred Americans so far!
Yes, yes, yes! Best episode ever!
As for the other episodes you mentioned, I love them all. Every single one of them contains a lot of memorable moments. In FAIR TRADE for example, there are two at least: the final discussion between Neelix and Janeway is a gem ... but I also really liked when Neelix asked Tommy about what he'd done wrong in his life and Tom told him the only mistake he'd made was not tell the truth (these are not his actual words but he says something to this effect). These two scenes always stand out when I think of that episode ... and a positive proof of what I've already mentioned earlier: the family feeling that no other show is capable of recreating save VOY. (However, there are a lot of shows that "excel" at creating an anti-family feel, most notably that horrible StarGate Universe. The pain! But that's a discussion for another board.)
Well in fairnes...if she (or any actor) doesn't want the "enthusiasm" then she shouldn't go to conventions where they will interact with her fans. I've seen her at conventions many times and for the most part she remembers plots and such but maybe not names of episodes. The person who is the best is Garret Wang. He remembers every episode title and every plot point.
I'm sure there are some cast members from Voyager that haven't watched the show, or haven't watched very much of it. It's not rare to find actors (and people in general) that will not watch themselves on screen, and if you played on the series but only know the episodes from the filming process, it would be very difficult to remember all of them. That said, I'm pretty sure Mulgrew is not one of those actors, but I think Beltran might be.
Garret Wang definitely watches the show, and Picardo does too. There should be a thread about this.
"Star Trek:______ cast members who haven't seen Star Trek:_______"
Garret Wang definitely watches the show, and Picardo does too. There should be a thread about this.
"Star Trek:______ cast members who haven't seen Star Trek:_______"
I didn't realize I had a signature. I remember making one and then never being able to see it. I don't even see it if I'm not signed in.@Prax and @Sophie74656 : you guys are young-uns! (well, at least several years younger than I am anyway).
And, Prax, I dig your sig-line... it just made me laugh.
Thanks, but I suddenly feel self-conscious about it. What does it say?
The above statement may be true
... which, in and of itself, is true. Or not. Which is why it made me laugh.
And Braga wrote "Threshold" as well. He's imaginative and likes time travel, but some say he needs the discipline of another writer or producer guiding his ideas or they get pretty out of control...
Braga has written some of (in my opinion) the very best of Trek.....and some of the worst.
I'm sure they would be at least be aware of the scenses they were in...but of course it has been 20 years
CM, Yes, good analysis on your ep comments. Sometimes we have to overlook the obvious plot holes or unreality and just enjoy the story...or not, depending on our taste.
Then something seemed to happen to Gene Roddenberry between TOS and his launch of ST Next Generation. He sort of turned the concept upside down. In less than a hundred years from TOS, Earth became a paradise with almost perfect people whose “many beliefs” suddenly became atheism. “Humanity” was now explored through Data the android and the various imperfect aliens they meet. But the crew to me came across as arrogant, self-righteous, and frankly uninteresting (vanilla). No more fist fights or martial arts, just space battles. Roddenberry’s own issues with God are made manifest in Q. The concepts are softened or improved over time, but did its damage to the franchise IMO. I hear that Rick Berman became the keeper of the vanilla Trek and "re-set button" after Roddenberry.
And plus there just wasn’t any sex appeal for me in the NexGen cast. Perhaps a confession of my own shallowness, but true. I will say a friend of mine had a big crush on Patrick Stewart as Capt Picard, so it might be just personal taste. But there you go. Over time I could appreciate the writing, however, so this is a long-winded way of saying the writing gets better in later seasons, and there are some excellent episodes.
DS9 tried to fix some of the short-comings dramatically of the “perfect humans” scenario, and created more challenges out on the frontier. The writing in this series is also quite good at times as it goes along, although it also took a while to gell. I also found the Bajoran reverence for Worm Hole Aliens to be another god straw man. And I still didn’t find any sex appeal there, although I liked seeing O’Brien from NexGen and later Worf. My favorite character, however, became an exiled Cardassian tailor, Garek, who we learn over time was in Cardassian intelligence. The actor who played him, Aron Robinson, I believe, wrote a novel about Garek's backstory that was quite good. The episodes in the later seasons about the Dominion War are very compelling to me.
As an afterthought, I will say that I saw Jonathan Frakes and Michael Dorn at the Galaxy Ball I went to in 2000, and they were hilarious! They both tower over Robert Beltran and Frakes kept trying to challenge RB to some kind of First Officer Rumble, which RB wisely declined. And Michael Dorn w/o Klingon makeup is a very handsome man who gives RB some serious competition in that department. They did Dorn a terrible disservice to keep him under latex all those years. Anyway, seeing them there gave me a new appreciation for them in NexGen. I’ll stop rambling now…
Yes, I would agree that there are some excellent episodes in Next Generation later on. I grew up with TOS and loved its mix of action-adventure with the scifi, plus a philosophic underpinning. We learned about humanity through mistakes Kirk or others would make and then his decisions to "fix things" were made through the interplay of intellect and emotion, logic and heart.
Then something seemed to happen to Gene Roddenberry between TOS and his launch of ST Next Generation. He sort of turned the concept upside down. In less than a hundred years from TOS, Earth became a paradise with almost perfect people whose “many beliefs” suddenly became atheism. “Humanity” was now explored through Data the android and the various imperfect aliens they meet. But the crew to me came across as arrogant, self-righteous, and frankly uninteresting (vanilla). No more fist fights or martial arts, just space battles. Roddenberry’s own issues with God are made manifest in Q. The concepts are softened or improved over time, but did its damage to the franchise IMO. I hear that Rick Berman became the keeper of the vanilla Trek and "re-set button" after Roddenberry.
And plus there just wasn’t any sex appeal for me in the NexGen cast. Perhaps a confession of my own shallowness, but true. I will say a friend of mine had a big crush on Patrick Stewart as Capt Picard, so it might be just personal taste. But there you go. Over time I could appreciate the writing, however, so this is a long-winded way of saying the writing gets better in later seasons, and there are some excellent episodes.
DS9 tried to fix some of the short-comings dramatically of the “perfect humans” scenario, and created more challenges out on the frontier. The writing in this series is also quite good at times as it goes along, although it also took a while to gell. I also found the Bajoran reverence for Worm Hole Aliens to be another god straw man. And I still didn’t find any sex appeal there, although I liked seeing O’Brien from NexGen and later Worf. My favorite character, however, became an exiled Cardassian tailor, Garek, who we learn over time was in Cardassian intelligence. The actor who played him, Aron Robinson, I believe, wrote a novel about Garek's backstory that was quite good. The episodes in the later seasons about the Dominion War are very compelling to me.
As an afterthought, I will say that I saw Jonathan Frakes and Michael Dorn at the Galaxy Ball I went to in 2000, and they were hilarious! They both tower over Robert Beltran and Frakes kept trying to challenge RB to some kind of First Officer Rumble, which RB wisely declined. And Michael Dorn w/o Klingon makeup is a very handsome man who gives RB some serious competition in that department. They did Dorn a terrible disservice to keep him under latex all those years. Anyway, seeing them there gave me a new appreciation for them in NexGen. I’ll stop rambling now…
For a really good time find some videos of Marina Sirtis and Michael Dorn together. They are a blast! Marina Sirtis is awesome, she says whatever she wants and doesn't give a crap. I've sen her (playfully) tell a fan to f**k off because they were wearing a soccer jersey of a rival of her favorite team! Also her and Michael Dorn are BFF in real life, she calls him Dorny. It's really cute.
oh there are a lot on youtube
I have to agree here.
Hmmmm... I previously made mention of the fact that there seem to be an almost disproportionate number of VOY eps that deal with time travel or its effects and this may be why... ?
Also, thanks for the info on TNG and DS9. I agree there wasn't a helluva lot of sex appeal in TNG, even though I only saw s1 and that was back in the 80s. Good to hear (again) that some of the later seasons eps are better than s1. That confirms I'll give it another go at some point. DS9 probably too.
Also, I personally don't think it's shallow or superficial to want sex appeal in a TV show (or film). It's part of what makes us human (I sound like the Dr teaching Seven). If you were only looking for sex appeal and hot guys onscreen, with disregard for the story and characters, then maybe I'd say yes, but "in addition to"... nope. And if so, then I'm as guilty as you are!
Voyager has about the same number of time travel episodes as the other series. This is one of those things where everyone gives Voyager a hard time about doing something that the other series did.Hmmmm... I previously made mention of the fact that there seem to be an almost disproportionate number of VOY eps that deal with time travel or its effects and this may be why... ?
Also, thanks for the info on TNG and DS9. I agree there wasn't a helluva lot of sex appeal in TNG, even though I only saw s1 and that was back in the 80s. Good to hear (again) that some of the later seasons eps are better than s1. That confirms I'll give it another go at some point. DS9 probably too.
Also, I personally don't think it's shallow or superficial to want sex appeal in a TV show (or film). It's part of what makes us human (I sound like the Dr teaching Seven). If you were only looking for sex appeal and hot guys onscreen, with disregard for the story and characters, then maybe I'd say yes, but "in addition to"... nope. And if so, then I'm as guilty as you are!
TOS had 5 episodes (only 3 seasons)
TNG had 11 Episodes
DS9 had 10 Episodes
Voyager had 11 Episodes
ENT had 9 episodes (only 4 seasons)
Okay, fair enough, then my perception is off on this one... I guess I fell into the "giving VOY a hard time" bucket on this one, but not the 7 of 9 issue that I just mentioned in the s4 thread.
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