Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[David cgc]

Uh, because we had this discussion only a few pages back in this same thread?

Spoilers - The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

The Archer type definitely has a Nacelle that's pretty similar to the Enterprise, they just put the grills on the bottom. I do love the spike on the bussard. If we ever get a flashback to the earliest days of the Enterprise, I'd love to see them put the spikes on the nacelles to honour the...

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I assumed you had something more solid than my own intentionally-obfuscated paraphrasing that only covered the context of how a conversation arose where he'd talk about future appearances of the BotBS ships, since I'd already talked about the part where he said the ships were coming back. He's also mentioned the DSC ships appearing in SNW again since then.

I always figured that the boxed shaped nacelles were just 'round ones' with extra armor plating around them since the early starfleet ships didn't have electronic shields that could withstand heavy weapons fire.
(we do see the round end of the engines sticking out the front)
Eventually, the armor was removed because shield technology drastically improved with the advent of the Constitution class of ships.

I have a similar idea, that they had external components to speed them up, like a hot-rodded car with the engine coming up through the hood, but with extra cladding so the extra parts weren't exposed to space. Then there was a breakthrough in fundamental design that let the base nacelles attain the same or better levels of performance without various superchargers and whatnot, so those were the ones that were mounted to the Constitution-generation ships.

How is that a mistake? How do we know they didn’t use that ship at the starbase to show that it’s still a legitimate Starfleet design, and the dummy ship just happened to share that design?

The one at the starbase was also upside down and heavily in shadow, and it had the same name and registry number as the fake ship (or, rather, one of the destroyed ships the fake ship was built from).

 

[Dukhat]

I assumed you had something more solid than my own intentionally-obfuscated paraphrasing that only covered the context of how a conversation arose where he'd talk about future appearances of the BotBS ships, since I'd already talked about the part where he said the ships were coming back. He's also mentioned the DSC ships appearing in SNW again since then.

So I’ll ask you: Did Tatosky specifically say that the season 1 ships will be sporting round nacelles?

The one at the starbase was also upside down and heavily in shadow, and it had the same name and registry number as the fake ship (or, rather, one of the destroyed ships the fake ship was built from).

And perhaps it was shown that way to mask that it was the exact same CGI model being reused as a different ship? And I don’t recall it having the same name. I actually don’t think the ship had a name at all. Any screen caps of that?

 

[Enterprise1701]

And perhaps it was shown that way to mask that it was the exact same CGI model being reused as a different ship? And I don’t recall it having the same name. I actually don’t think the ship had a name at all. Any screen caps of that?

No, the episode writer or the designer of the Klingon miner bootleg was surprised to hear his scripted model had been misused by the VFX team without his knowledge in a different part of the episode. The upside-down registry text NCC-1279 is still visible just as the camera pans to the docked trio of Enterprise, Archer, and Farragut.

Jörg Hillebrand made a hi-res collage the day the episode streamed:

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[Dukhat]

No, the episode writer or the designer of the Klingon miner bootleg was surprised to hear his scripted model had been misused by the VFX team without his knowledge in a different part of the episode. The upside-down registry text NCC-1279 is still visible just as the camera pans to the docked trio of Enterprise, Archer, and Farragut.

Jörg Hillebrand made a hi-res collage the day the episode streamed:

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But the designer has nothing to do with how the producers choose to use the model. He just made the CGI model; the producers made the decision to use it as a legitimate ship docked at the starbase as well as using it for the fake ship.

 

[Enterprise1701]

But the designer has nothing to do with how the producers choose to use the model.

Nice goalpost move.

the producers made the decision to use it as a legitimate ship docked at the starbase as well as using it for the fake ship.

I don't think you understand how sub-management works. The producers don't check every small detail in the background; that task is delegated to the VFX team who evidently didn't check with the writer that such a CG asset recycling for budget limits to flesh out the background would defy the very point of the episode's climax.

 

[Dukhat]

Nice goalpost move.


I don't think you understand how sub-management works. The producers don't check every small detail in the background; that task is delegated to the VFX team who evidently didn't check with the writer that such a CG asset recycling for budget limits to flesh out the background would defy the very point of the episode's climax.

I understand just fine. An artist is hired to make a starship design. They have no further input as to how that design is ultimately used. That’s why Star Trek is littered with examples of the producers using the same design for multiple alien ships and time periods.

 

[Enterprise1701]

I understand just fine.

Press X to doubt

 

[Dukhat]

Press X to doubt

You are welcome to your opinion. I don’t think we have anything more to say to each other on this subject, so I’m fine dropping it.

Edit: Glad to see you have a sense of humor.

 

[Tosk]

That was a Klingon made Frankenstein ship.

Yes it also showed up at Starbase One at the start of the Episode, but that was probably a mistake based on the dialogue in the actual episode. It also had the same registry number as the Frankenstein ship.

That's all well and good, but all I said was that we saw a Crossfield with round nacelles.

 

[Tuskin38]

How is that a mistake? How do we know they didn’t use that ship at the starbase to show that it’s still a legitimate Starfleet design, and the dummy ship just happened to share that design?

Because it was made by the Klingons out of other starship parts. It's in the dialogue of the episode, it's not a real ship. It was also confirmed by one of the artists.

That's all well and good, but all I said was that we saw a Crossfield with round nacelles.

No, we saw a ship Mitchelle mistook for a Crossfield briefly.

 

[Dukhat]

Because it was made by the Klingons out of other starship parts. It's in the dialogue of the episode, it's not a real ship. It was also confirmed by one of the artists.

And yet, there it is docked at the starbase. So mistake or not, we must assume it’s a legit ship.

 

[Tuskin38]

So mistake or not, we must assume it’s a legit ship.

We mustn't assume anything

It appearing their contradicts the actual episode, so it's more likely to assume it was a mistake.

Especially since it uses the exact same registry number as the fake ship.

 

[Dukhat]

We mustn't assume anything

It appearing their contradicts the actual episode, so it's more likely to assume it was a mistake.

Especially since it uses the exact same registry number as the fake ship.

I don’t assume it’s a mistake. I take what I see on screen as canon. Mistakes become canon all the time.

 

[David cgc]

No, the episode writer or the designer of the Klingon miner bootleg was surprised to hear his scripted model had been misused by the VFX team without his knowledge in a different part of the episode.

Not to split the baby with excessive compromising, but I suspect that the re-use was done knowing that specific ship shouldn't have been there, given the model is upside-down, and is mostly obscured. It was probably intended to fill out the docks, without being distinguishable as a specific design except by a freeze-frame. Maybe one of the flatter DSC ships had been in that position, but was vetoed as not fitting in with the more TOS-y look of the show, so it was substituted with the fake ship since it would fit the composition.

(And, yes, Tatosky was very clear that DSC ships, with round nacelles, and perhaps some other minor detail enhancements, would appear in the new season of SNW. Which is why I said it in the first place.)

 

[Dukhat]

Not to split the baby with excessive compromising, but I suspect that the re-use was done knowing that specific ship shouldn't have been there, given the model is upside-down, and is mostly obscured. It was probably intended to fill out the docks, without being distinguishable as a specific design except by a freeze-frame. Maybe one of the flatter DSC ships had been in that position, but was vetoed as not fitting in with the more TOS-y look of the show, so it was substituted with the fake ship since it would fit the composition.

(And, yes, Tatosky was very clear that DSC ships, with round nacelles, and perhaps some other minor detail enhancements, would appear in the new season of SNW. Which is why I said it in the first place.)

Well, we’ll know if that’s true in one month.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That was a Klingon made Frankenstein ship.

The USS Edgar Winter or Mary Shelly, if you are so inclined.

 

[Enterprise1701]

Not to split the baby with excessive compromising, but I suspect that the re-use was done knowing that specific ship shouldn't have been there, given the model is upside-down, and is mostly obscured. It was probably intended to fill out the docks, without being distinguishable as a specific design except by a freeze-frame.

Yes, I said that Doylist detail in another post.

The producers don't check every small detail in the background; that task is delegated to the VFX team who evidently didn't check with the writer that such a CG asset recycling for budget limits to flesh out the background would defy the very point of the episode's climax.

 

[HotRod]

I just want the the "Crossfield" seen in The Broken Circle to be an actual Starfleet design because it actual looked good. I'd love to see it again.

I'll also say that I look foward to potentially seeing Discovery designs with cylindrical nacelles. The designs are good, the nacelles make them better.

 

[Daedalus]

I'd also really like to see some of those older ships get the 2260s makeover at some point. I've seen other STO players flying their Malachowskis with TOS Miranda parts to great effect over the years.

Some of those DSC ships could just skip the 60s and go straight to the 70s. The Shepard refit, aka Kerala class is a really good design.

As for the Crossfield kitbash, I know it's not supposed to be a real ship, but the chances of the model being reused as a background ship or Gorn-fodder isn't insignificant. It could find it's way shoehorned in without any explanation, but I wouldn't complain

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

That’s why Star Trek is littered with examples of the producers using the same design for multiple alien ships and time periods.

Like how the basic design for the Husnock WarShip has been re-dressed at least 24x times as other vessels?

Here I thought that ST might have the SW equivalent of a "Corellian Engineering Corporation" where their fundamental basic StarShip design is so highly sought after & customize-able that it becomes such a basic common StarShip that many different species buys the basic model and modify's it like many people do with Honda Civics.

It's that common of a design that we see it all over the Milky Way Galaxy.