Strange New Worlds Season 2 Trailer

[Mad_Jasper]

It's the made up future. How can anything be "anachronistic"?

It's a made-up future where humanity has achieved its aspirations of intellectual self-enrichment yet elite Star Fleet officers speak as though they were born in the 1990s. It takes me out of the Star Trek universe.

Maybe it doesn't for everyone and that's ok. Just doesn't work for me.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It's a made-up future where humanity has achieved its aspirations of intellectual self-enrichment yet elite Star Fleet officers speak as though they were born in the 1990s. It takes me out of the Star Trek universe.

Maybe it doesn't for everyone and that's ok. Just doesn't work for me.

Star Trek characters all most always talked like contemporary humans.
What does "intellectual self-enrichment" or being "elite Star Fleet officers" have to do with how one speaks?
One Picard's "fantasies" is being a hard boiled 2oth Century PI.

 

[cooleddie74]

Lt. DeSalle in "Catspaw(TOS)" used the phrase "I'll bet you credits to navy beans." That's about as 2267 as you can get if 2267 is code for "I served in World War II or Korea and wrote this script."

 

[Mad_Jasper]

"in a pig's eye!"

"What you had to do, what you always do. Turned death into a fighting chance to live".

 

[fireproof78]

"What you had to do, what you always do. Turned death into a fighting chance to live".

"Row row row your boat..."

 

[Nerys Myk]

"What you had to do, what you always do. Turned death into a fighting chance to live".

Sounds like something someone in 1984 would say,

 

[Mad_Jasper]

The use of anachronisms should not be confused with anachronistic dialog. From TOS to VOY, the dialog was futuristic, well-spoken, and with minimal slang but with occasional use of anachronisms appealing to the audience of that time period. Tom Paris's love of classic cars is a perfect example. However, the dialog of many TOS episodes is consistent through VOY. ENT was near-future Star Trek but overall feels futuristic.

Modern Star Trek dialog has been mostly anachronistic. It doesn't feel futuristic to me with the exception of Picard and I very much disliked the first two seasons. Picard S3 probably contained more anachronisms than all of TNG but overall it was futuristic and intelligent, with a connection to its history aside from mere fan service and sound queues.

Again, this is my opinion. Maybe modern Star Trek just isn't for me. I don't begrudge others for disagreeing. If I deem that SNW S2 is unwatchable I have many, many hours of classic Trek to entertain me.

To summarize in today's terminology:
TOS - ENT = 1967 Camaro
Picard S3 = 1971= Cutlass Supreme
Disco, SNW, PIC S1-2 = 2011 Toyota Camry

In 2053, no one will care about the 2011 Toyota Camry.

 

[fireproof78]

Again, this is my opinion. Maybe modern Star Trek just isn't for me. I don't begrudge others for disagreeing. If I deem that SNW S2 is unwatchable I have many, many hours of classic Trek to entertain me.

If I deem it unwatchable it won't be because of dialog. Rewatching TOS as I do it sounds like other shows of the era. It doesn't strike me as more futuristic, nor does it feel more or less different. TNG tried and it felt stilted.

Again, SNW has many reasons I'm skeptical Anachronistic dialog is not one of them.

Mileage, etc

 

[CorporalClegg]

Modern Star Trek dialog has been mostly anachronistic. .

How do you know?

 

[Mad_Jasper]

If I deem it unwatchable it won't be because of dialog. Rewatching TOS as I do it sounds like other shows of the era. It doesn't strike me as more futuristic, nor does it feel more or less different. TNG tried and it felt stilted.

Again, SNW has many reasons I'm skeptical Anachronistic dialog is not one of them.

Mileage, etc

Fair enough. You have your reasons, I have mine.

 

[Oso Blanco]

Even if he does, in TOS S1 Space Seed they pretty much found out but they had Khan Noonan Singh pretty quickly. Once Spock has the 1996 picture of Khan on the briefing room screen, Kirk, McCoy, and Scotty all gave their impressions of what they learned/ knew of his history.

La'an is a descendant a few generations removed. She doesn't really look like Ricardo Montalban/Khan; and I don't think she keeps a picture of him from 1996 handy; so IDK why everyone is so hung up over the fact that neither Kirk, McCoy, or Scotty instantly recognized that it was Khan Noonan Singh lying in the hibernation chamber of the DY100 ship.

Yes they all know of the history of Khan Noonian Singh and the Eugenics Wars; but no they didn't have instant recall about what he looked like 200 years ago.

But she served with Spock on the Enterprise! Shouldn't the name Noonien Singh ring a bell in Balance Of Terror Space Seed?

 

[Ovation]

But she served with Spock on the Enterprise! Shouldn't the name Noonien Singh ring a bell in Balance Of Terror?

Why would it be relevant to Romulan conflict?

 

[Noname Given]

But she served with Spock on the Enterprise! Shouldn't the name Noonien Singh ring a bell in Balance Of Terror?

You mean the name that Kirk and Co. confronted him with for the first time at the dinner they held? (Up to that point he had only been saying his name was Khan.)

Have you ever actually watched TOS S1 Space Seed?

 

[fireproof78]

But she served with Spock on the Enterprise! Shouldn't the name Noonien Singh ring a bell in Balance Of Terror?

Khan. Nothing else.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

But she served with Spock on the Enterprise! Shouldn't the name Noonien Singh ring a bell in Balance Of Terror?

Maybe they aren't easily distracted and trying to focus on the issue at hand, which was having the leader of one of the more violent wars in Earth's history aboard and trying to figure out what to do?

 

[cooleddie74]

If you showed someone a random photo of Paul von Hindenburg without one of his military uniforms (or even with) and asked them to identify him I imagine a whole lot of people couldn't, and this is an important military and political figure from just one century ago. After 271 years there'd be lots of people who would look at Khan in the TOS Sickbay and not put two and two together, especially since his last name wasn't revealed until just before the Augments seized control of the Enterprise.

A much better education system in the future or not, how many people would have that strong a command of faces of historical figures from 200-300 years in the past?

 

[Nerys Myk]

The use of anachronisms should not be confused with anachronistic dialog. From TOS to VOY, the dialog was futuristic, well-spoken, and with minimal slang but with occasional use of anachronisms appealing to the audience of that time period. Tom Paris's love of classic cars is a perfect example. However, the dialog of many TOS episodes is consistent through VOY. ENT was near-future Star Trek but overall feels futuristic.

Modern Star Trek dialog has been mostly anachronistic. It doesn't feel futuristic to me with the exception of Picard and I very much disliked the first two seasons. Picard S3 probably contained more anachronisms than all of TNG but overall it was futuristic and intelligent, with a connection to its history aside from mere fan service and sound queues.

Again, this is my opinion. Maybe modern Star Trek just isn't for me. I don't begrudge others for disagreeing. If I deem that SNW S2 is unwatchable I have many, many hours of classic Trek to entertain me.

To summarize in today's terminology:
TOS - ENT = 1967 Camaro
Picard S3 = 1971= Cutlass Supreme
Disco, SNW, PIC S1-2 = 2011 Toyota Camry

In 2053, no one will care about the 2011 Toyota Camry.

What is particularly “futuristic” about Star Trek dialog? The dialog on TOS would be just as at home on “Bonanza” or “Mission; Impossible” The same can be said for TNG and its contemporaneous shows. Some characters speak more formally like Picard or Data. Some speak less so, like McCoy or Paris.

 

[Racefuel]

Why do I feel like I’ve heard the “dialog sounds too current day and isn’t elevated enough for Star Trek” argument A LOT lately from new posters

 

[fireproof78]

Why do I feel like I’ve heard the “dialog sounds too current day and isn’t elevated enough for Star Trek” argument A LOT lately from new posters

Because it's the easiest justification to manage the cognitive dissonance for not liking a Trek installment.

 

[Racefuel]

Yeah probably