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That wasn't transwarp beaming. That was specifically stated in dialogue to be the Sikarian Spatial Trajector from Voyager.
It's just not something that'll become a staple of Star Trek, is all I'm saying (like the above). Far too useful and convenient, especially the augment blood cure-all.
This is at least a reasonable assumption right?
I guess that's were I disagree. It's not a cure all. The transporter is a far closer cure all, from aging, to good/evil duplicate, as well as various programming ability.
Plus, the transporter could also beam at warp with appropriate modifcations:
TORRES: By synchronising the transporter's annular confinement beam to the warp core frequency.
KIM: Maybe, but at a relative speed of two billion kilometers per second, it's pretty tough to get a lock on somebody.
TUVOK: Ensign Kim is correct. We would risk scrambling his transporter signal and killing him. It would be a direct violation of Starfleet's safety protocols.
TORRES: Do you have a better idea? Trust me, Captain. I can do it.
~Maneuvers (VOY)
Like many other tech, I don't see it as this all powerful thing. The story presented showcases limitations, nor does it actually remove present a cure all in any way that actually will linger with any permanent effects.
The transporter is definitely wonderful, but I sill dont think we'll see transwarp beaming, transporter de-aging and augment blood resurrections (with limits!) more often. Those things specifically, that's all.
Some ultra-magical macguffins really do get buried and there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all.
YMMV, and you never know, you could see all three of those things used every season in Starfleet Academy! Kids tomorrow, and all. If so, enjoy!
I just don't see how the how transwarp beaming, or augment blood treatments are so different from the transporter. I don't think they are upending anything from other macguffins.The transporter is definitely wonderful, but I sill dont think we'll see transwarp beaming, transporter de-aging and augment blood resurrections (with limits!) more often. Those things specifically, that's all.
Some ultra-magical macguffins really do get buried and there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all.
YMMV, BUT you never know, you could see all three of those things used every season in Starfleet Academy! Kids tomorrow, and all. If so, enjoy!
I don't think magical macguffins should get buried either. It's rather dumb given the constant insistence that everything is all perfectly within continuity of each other (as long as you don't read the fine print) yet technologies get tossed aside even though they would change the dynamics of the world. And no, transwarp beaming and blood based therapies are not in the top 10.
I've said my piece. If you think we should see more use of the previously discussed tech, then more power to you.
I believe for canon sake and continuity sake that it would be beneficial to see it again. I mean, look how it worked out for Star Trek IV.
Actually, it didn't. Nowhere in the movie is it stated or implied that the warp engines were modified in any way. Sybok certainly did not have the skills to do that. The only reason why the Enterprise was able to reach the center of the galaxy in a matter of minutes was because of bad writing.
In the official movie novelization (written from a script supplied by Paramount) it was modified, and the Sha-Ka-Ree entity gave Sybok and his followers telepathic instructions on how to alter the Enterprise-A's engines so that the ship could reach the center of the galaxy so fast. The movie is laughably underexplained, but the J.M. Dillard novelization from 1989 tells us how it was done.
The fact none of that is in the movie is indeed the movie's fault and Shatner's.
The fact none of that is in the movie is indeed the movie's fault and Shatner's.
So the end of the movie can happen.
Don't some novel authors add stuff to "smooth out" some of the more ridiculous things in the scripts?
What about the Bird of Prey? Never read the book, but if they want to the trouble of explaining the Enterprise, I'm curious what they said about the BoP.
I'm not J.M. Dillard so I don't know, but it seems like she took what was in the script she was given and banged out a book of it with more details.
As per the Bird-of-Prey, I can't remember how the novelization explains that.
As per the Bird-of-Prey, I can't remember how the novelization explains that.
Then as far as 'technology that was never used again' is concerned, it was actually better that the movie left it unexplained.
"It's going to be hard to reach the center of the galaxy in any kind of reasonable timeframe."
"Actually it's going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience."
"Oh really?"
"Yeah, they just go there in a matter of minutes."
"Oh. Wow. Are these ships just that fast?"
"I guess so."
[Six Years Later, Voyager Pitch Meeting]
"It's going to take them seventy-five years to go home? Why?"
"So the show can happen."
"But you established in the fifth movie Kirk's Enterprise could reach the center of the galaxy in mere minutes. Shouldn't this state of the art ship in The Next Generation era be able to reach one end of the galaxy to another in no time?"
"Oh. Yeah. Whoops."
"Whoopsie!"
I remember reading the novel before seeing the movie. Big mistake. I was quite vexed at how so much was lost in translation to film. I remember thinking, "this thing is going to be awesome!". Hooo-boy!
Never did that again.
The book is legitimately a better story than the film is. Dillard did enough patching and world-building that puts the novel for TFF nearly at the same level as Vonda McIntyre's work on TWOK/TSFS/TVH.I remember reading the novel before seeing the movie. Big mistake. I was quite vexed at how so much was lost in translation to film. I remember thinking, "this thing is going to be awesome!". Hooo-boy!
Hell, the 1701 traverse 990.7 LY in a little over two days (See TOS S3 That Which Survives.)
^^^
Even if you discount the 30 minutes at Warp 14 and add a day (IE 3 days per 1000 LY) - even if speeds haven't increased in 100 years, the U.S.S. Voyager should have made it back in 210 days - and definitely within a year even if you add a stops along the way.
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