Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[MikHutch]

to be fair, Betazoid didn't look exactly like humans, they look like humans with black contact lenses

Wow, so different/s

Kidding aside, you're right. But IMO even the Bajoran nose ridges aren't really an interesting difference visually wise, and tbh I never noticed Betazoids did that until recently. Idk, I just like visually distinct aliens instead of the basics (while still being manageable as recurring characters for the crew and cast)

 

[Nerys Myk]

So apparently Carol Kane's claiming that Pelia is thousands of years old: https://trekmovie.com/2023/06/21/ca...ner-on-lanthanites-and-just-how-old-pelia-is/

I don't think we've had lifespans this absurd since Bele claimed he chased Lokai for 50,000 Earth years in 'Let that be your last battlefield' (admittedly if we put Pelia at 2,000 it's still better)

Of coure everyone's wondering if there's a Flint connection. Maybe Pelia will claim to be Helen of Troy and Cleopatra

Didn’t the episode outright say she was?

Absurd? In Star Trek? Flint is from ancient Mesopotamia.(Six thousand years) Apollo hobnobbed with the proto-Greeks. (Five thousands years) The Platonians hobnobbed with the actual Greeks. (Over 1000 years)

Producer Henry Alonzo Meyer in the very article you linked mention her being thousands of years old, so its not like Kane is making an outrageous claim or some thing. It been talked about everywhere, we've been discussing it here, a discussion you even participated in, for a while. So it's not really shockingly new or something.

 

[cooleddie74]

Flint was born in 3834 B.C. and is still alive in 2269, more than 6,100 years later. Pelia looking like a normal, mortal human and being a few thousand or more years old is classic Trek.

 

[Paul755]

1) "Females?" Really?

2) It's not that SNW is "conservative" in the way women dress. It's that SNW is not sexualizing them. There are times when women characters dress in ways that are sexual when it's appropriate for their characters -- Christine's tight dress for her date in "Spock Amok," T'Pring in her underwear in the pilot and in a somewhat-revealing wedding dress in the dream sequence of "Spock Amok;" La'an wearing a very cleavagey dress as her princess character in that late S1 episode whose name I can't recall. But they're characters who aren't, y'know, going out to nightclubs trying to get laid all the time, so they don't dress sexually. That's neither conservative nor liberal.

Apologies if I offended that wasn’t my intent at all and my example was clumsy. And I didn’t mean conservative/liberal in the political sense. Reserved was maybe a better word to use.

Flint was born in 3834 B.C. and is still alive in 2269, more than 6,100 years later. Pelia looking like a normal, mortal human and being a few thousand or more years old is classic Trek.

Spoiler

there is a pic going around showing La’an and Kirk in the 20th century running into Pelia. So maybe a bit Guinan in Times Arrow instead of TOS

 

[comsol]

I'd like to think the enlightened future would do away with the nonsense of the fashion world in general.

But I do hope fashion conceits burn away.

I hope that fashion is far far away in the next 10 years much less in another century.

Sounds pretty boring to me.

 

[Mudd]

Sounds pretty boring to me.

Yep.

 

[fireproof78]

Sounds pretty boring to me.

Fashion does little but make people anxious, self-loathing, uncomfortable and envious. I find it altogether fatiguing and maddening when feel like their fashion doesn't fit. It's exclusionary and mean spirited.

Boring? I'd take that over the tears of my daughters.

 

[comsol]

Fashion does little but make people anxious, self-loathing, uncomfortable and envious. I find it altogether fatiguing and maddening when feel like their fashion doesn't fit. It's exclusionary and mean spirited.

Boring? I'd take that over the tears of my daughters.

I understand that, but it can also be a means of self-expression and creativity and enjoyment as well.

 

[MikHutch]

But how's it self expression when it's always imposed by someone else? These industries are predicated on selling fabricated insecurities.

 

[fireproof78]

I understand that, but it can also be a means of self-expression and creativity and enjoyment as well.

Seen more heartache than expression. As an industry I see little additive value at an industry level and negativity at the personal level .

 

[MikHutch]

Seen more heartache than expression. As an industry I see little additive value at an industry level and negativity at the personal level .

Not to mention all the social stereotypes and environmental effects

 

[T'Bonz]

Valden, women aren't there for you to gaze at. They're people, with actual brains.

Not all are going to be sexpots. And some will be working and wearing clothes that reflect what they're doing, not dressing to catch a man.

Drop the misogyny. It's getting really old. We get it. You want traditional feminine women. Tough tacos, as an old teacher of mine used to say.

If you don't stop this crap, I'll start warning. I'm tired of reading it.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Expression of what? Random nonsense? Racism? Telling people they're wrong for liking a certain color? Wasting resources on unnecessary items to keep up appearances? Nothing about that sounds enlightened.

You are calling out the Fashion Industry. And fast fashion is a blight and should be a crime. But that's not what I'm talking about. People have been making themselves pretty for at least 30,000 years, both with body art and clothing. One person long ago added decoration to a utilitarian garment and pretty soon everyone's doing it. All subcultures have a fashion aesthetic of their own. American gun culture has that dopey faux military look. An all black rodeo has a different fashion aesthetic than mostly white rodeos. If you think a t-shirt and jeans (or sweatpants or cargo shorts) is not a fashion choice than you're fooling yourself. You are making a statement about who you are.

I can't wear couture fashion. I wouldn't be able to afford it even if I could. But I admire the art, craft and skill that goes into creating it. Just as I admire the art, craft and skill that goes into designing costumes for shows like SNW. I would not want to live in a world (or future) where we couldn't express ourselves through clothing and body decoration, where we all had to wear the same outfit, the same color, the same hairstyle as everyone else. (I wouldn't want to live on Vulcan in the TNG era for instance.)That sounds horrible to me. And very very boring.

 

[Mudd]

I like fashion.

 

[Omegaphallic]

So for us TOS fans concerned with Gorn violations of canon, brace yourselves: https://trekmovie.com/2023/06/18/in...pocks-arc-klingon-design-gorn-canon-season-3/

This episode establishes the Gorn as a continuing big bad for the season, or maybe the series. So the question is: why the Gorn who have some tricky canon issues instead of using the opportunity to create your own whole new villain species?

Akiva Goldsman: Because for me, storytelling beats canon. And that may not be popular, but it’s the truth. So when they can go hand-in-hand, great. But when I was writing the pilot, I was looking for something that was just monstrous, that was Cthulhu-like. Something that was unthinking. Our shows are empathy generators and I wanted to have an element which was in relief of that. I wanted something that you couldn’t identify with, something that was utterly alien, something that was all appetite and instinct in ways that we couldn’t quite understand. And I also wanted to signal place and time in a way that personally I found interesting. So you should definitely blame me for this one.

Here's my own answer to that. Last I checked, nothing, and certainly not TOS fans, were preventing SNW showrunners from creating a *new* species that can be "monstrous... Cthulhu-like". Doing that might even be a hit with the fans. There's absolutely nothing about SNW's Gorn that requires them to be TOS Gorn last I checked. Nothing. They could have colored them orange, called them the cobrasaurs or whatever, and literally nothing would be different.

At least he takes responsiblity for this, but he shouldn't have used the Gorn for that. Its going to be entertaining, but eventually someone going to have to clean up the mess it'll make of the time line.

 

[Tuskin38]

At least he takes responsiblity for this, but he shouldn't have used the Gorn for that. Its going to be entertaining, but eventually someone going to have to clean up the mess it'll make of the time line.

No cleaning needed.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I like fashion.

I prefer Life on Mars.

 

[MikHutch]

You are calling out the Fashion Industry. And fast fashion is a blight and should be a crime. But that's not what I'm talking about. People have been making themselves pretty for at least 30,000 years, both with body art and clothing. One person long ago added decoration to a utilitarian garment and pretty soon everyone's doing it. All subcultures have a fashion aesthetic of their own. American gun culture has that dopey faux military look. An all black rodeo has a different fashion aesthetic than mostly white rodeos. If you think a t-shirt and jeans (or sweatpants or cargo shorts) is not a fashion choice than you're fooling yourself. You are making a statement about who you are.

I can't wear couture fashion. I wouldn't be able to afford it even if I could. But I admire the art, craft and skill that goes into creating it. Just as I admire the art, craft and skill that goes into designing costumes for shows like SNW. I would not want to live in a world (or future) where we couldn't express ourselves through clothing and body decoration, where we all had to wear the same outfit, the same color, the same hairstyle as everyone else. (I wouldn't want to live on Vulcan in the TNG era for instance.)That sounds horrible to me. And very very boring.

When did anyone say they couldn't express themselves?

 

[cooleddie74]

There's a whole lot of obnoxious and money- and wealth-obsessed crap connected to the fashion industry. But it's also the industry that makes sure we don't all spend our lives in leisure suits, hula hoop skirts and "Who Farted?" T-shirts so I try to take what I see as good from clothing designers and just ignore the rest.

It's a lot like the processed food industry. Pick what you like and edifies your life, let other people enjoy what they enjoy and don't make too big a deal about either.

 

[fireproof78]

You are calling out the Fashion Industry. And fast fashion is a blight and should be a crime. But that's not what I'm talking about. People have been making themselves pretty for at least 30,000 years, both with body art and clothing. One person long ago added decoration to a utilitarian garment and pretty soon everyone's doing it. All subcultures have a fashion aesthetic of their own. American gun culture has that dopey faux military look. An all black rodeo has a different fashion aesthetic than mostly white rodeos. If you think a t-shirt and jeans (or sweatpants or cargo shorts) is not a fashion choice than you're fooling yourself. You are making a statement about who you are.

I can't wear couture fashion. I wouldn't be able to afford it even if I could. But I admire the art, craft and skill that goes into creating it. Just as I admire the art, craft and skill that goes into designing costumes for shows like SNW. I would not want to live in a world (or future) where we couldn't express ourselves through clothing and body decoration, where we all had to wear the same outfit, the same color, the same hairstyle as everyone else. (I wouldn't want to live on Vulcan in the TNG era for instance.)That sounds horrible to me. And very very boring.

No one said no self expression. But the fucking shade thrown by people for choices, and the lack of freedom pushed on people because of social expectations and exclusivity expected that leaves people feeling excluded that is ridiculous.