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Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

She wouldn't. It's just something I could see them doing to toss in a unexpected twist. Same thing with Flint. I always thought it would be fun to see Trek address the fact that you basically have immortal beings that might be human in the universe. Something not brought up in any of the other shows until maybe now for the first time. Well I mean they sort of address it once on Voyager. Janeway sort of made fun of the idea that KIrk meet Leonardo da Vinci.
 
Heh, in Greg Cox and Dayton Ward's pre-streaming era novels, Gary Seven and Roberta Lincoln meet Guinan, Flint, Shannon O'Donnell, Rain Robinson, and ultimately Mestral succeeds Gary Seven's position on Earth.
 
Heh, in Greg Cox and Dayton Ward's pre-streaming era novels, Gary Seven and Roberta Lincoln meet Guinan, Flint, Shannon O'Donnell, Rain Robinson, and ultimately Mestral succeeds Gary Seven's position on Earth.
They met everyone and the kitchen sink in Greg's books. From Steve Austin to Jonny Quest. :lol:
 
And Jack the Ripper as a serial killer in 1960s or '70s London, which may or may not have been a deliberate reference to Frenzy by Hitchcock.
 
I am getting the impression that Carol Kane's alien species is suppose to be what explains Mr Flint's long lifespan in "Requiem for Methuselah." They might even go all meta and say she once went by the name of Carol Kane on earth. Could it be she is Spock's grandma or great grandma. This would explain how she knows Spock's mom.

She's not an alien, Spock referred to her people remaining undetected among OTHER human, not undetected among humans.

Her species is an offshoot species of human, there are historically multiple seperate species of humans, some very different from us, like homo erectus. Her people could be one of the next branches of human evolution.

Side not, the Voth are not aliens either, they descend from Dinosaurs back on earth, they are technically earthlings.
 
Her species is an offshoot species of human, there are historically multiple seperate species of humans, some very different from us, like homo erectus. Her people could be one of the next branches of human evolution.

I’ve known Kurtzman and Co. were looking for crossover opportunities, but I never saw the MCU coming.
 
So for us TOS fans concerned with Gorn violations of canon, brace yourselves: https://trekmovie.com/2023/06/18/in...pocks-arc-klingon-design-gorn-canon-season-3/

This episode establishes the Gorn as a continuing big bad for the season, or maybe the series. So the question is: why the Gorn who have some tricky canon issues instead of using the opportunity to create your own whole new villain species?

Akiva Goldsman: Because for me, storytelling beats canon. And that may not be popular, but it’s the truth. So when they can go hand-in-hand, great. But when I was writing the pilot, I was looking for something that was just monstrous, that was Cthulhu-like. Something that was unthinking. Our shows are empathy generators and I wanted to have an element which was in relief of that. I wanted something that you couldn’t identify with, something that was utterly alien, something that was all appetite and instinct in ways that we couldn’t quite understand. And I also wanted to signal place and time in a way that personally I found interesting. So you should definitely blame me for this one.


Here's my own answer to that. Last I checked, nothing, and certainly not TOS fans, were preventing SNW showrunners from creating a *new* species that can be "monstrous... Cthulhu-like". Doing that might even be a hit with the fans. There's absolutely nothing about SNW's Gorn that requires them to be TOS Gorn last I checked. Nothing. They could have colored them orange, called them the cobrasaurs or whatever, and literally nothing would be different.
 
That said, this is the guy who wrote the screenplay for Batman and Robin and he thought that was a good story... Admittedly, that was 25 years ago.

For example, what Akiva did to Bane in that movie could be seen as a warning about what he's going to do to the Gorn.
 

Akiva Goldsman: Because for me, storytelling beats canon. And that may not be popular, but it’s the truth. So when they can go hand-in-hand, great. But when I was writing the pilot, I was looking for something that was just monstrous, that was Cthulhu-like. Something that was unthinking. Our shows are empathy generators and I wanted to have an element which was in relief of that. I wanted something that you couldn’t identify with, something that was utterly alien, something that was all appetite and instinct in ways that we couldn’t quite understand. And I also wanted to signal place and time in a way that personally I found interesting. So you should definitely blame me for this one.


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Akiva Goldsman is going to areas no Star Trek showrunner has ever considered before... what if the villains were mindless monsters with nothing else to them.

Can't lie if Star Trek doing mindless monsters was something Goldsman was interested in it does sound like the type of idea with one episode of material in rather than being the main villains of a multi-season show. It hasn't been a big enough part of the show yet to become a bother but yeah, it's
definitely something I'm remaining cautious of.

I guess the benefit of this being an episodic show is that it'll at least only be a big part of a couple episodes per season so if I do really hate it then there is at least the rest of the episodes in a season I can look forward to.
 
and it doesn't acknowledge how hard everyone worked to make that makeup design functional onscreen.

Too bad they failed at making it functional then.

That said, this is the guy who wrote the screenplay for Batman and Robin and he thought that was a good story... Admittedly, that was 25 years ago

Batman and Robin was exactly the movie they set out to make, live action cartoon, heavily inspired by Batman '66's camp. He wasn't aiming for "The Dark Knight".
 
Also again, the Gorn clearly aren't mindless monsters, they build and pilot starships.

The only Gorn we've see in person in the show so far are infants.
 
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