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Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

I, for one, have always presumed that "race casting" in Star Trek didn't really reflect what people actually looked like.

How else to explain all those random isolated human colonies discovered, with only a few hundred settlers, where centuries later, there are white and black people?
 
I'm going to say again, because I'm afraid it's getting lost in our perhaps-strident frustration about this business, that IMO people who are reflexively conscious of race aren't necessarily being maliciously racist in intent. Nor are we (well, speaking for myself) accusing them of "being racist." But the whole world, starting with them, would be a lot happier if they could grow past their probably-unexamined discomfort about this kind of thing. Because it does have consequences, however unintended.
It's not about race for everyone but sadly racists are also gonna jump on it and toxify the whole thing.
There have been loads of things like Picard's mother's accent or Kirks rank in the leaked shots that don't match up to what people know.

Anyway I'm gonna leave it that cause as the one annoyed it's gonna be a thing am in danger of doing it myself.
 
He lifts his leg over the biggest chair in the known universe and successfully makes it.
 
ROLLING STONE: The latest series is a welcome throwback to episodic adventures and a soothing parable for the grim realities of modern times

When a franchise has been around as long as Star Trek, it’s not hard to understand a desire to reinvent the wheel — or, I suppose, the warp core. Lean too much on what Trek has been doing since the Sixties and you risk your futuristic space opera feeling old, stodgy, and high on its own supply. But the more recent series like Star Trek: Discovery and Star Trek: Picard have tried much too hard to fit Trek into the Peak TV landscape, in the process losing sight of what made these stories work so effectively for so many decades.

In particular, the decision to lean hard into serialization did both Discovery and Picard an extreme disservice, trapping each show in season-long arcs that simply couldn’t sustain themselves for such an extended period. The first year of Discovery committed hard to a Make Klingons Great Again arc — and a reimagining of James T. Kirk’s biggest enemies — that just didn’t work at all, and there was no escaping it once it began. Picard has tried a couple of different major arcs, neither of which has quite worked (I lost interest midway through the latest one and stopped), and mainly perked up when it took a week off from them so that, say, Picard could go hang out with his old friends Will Riker and Deanna Troi.

It’s not just that these different arcs have been duds. It’s that the very concept of them runs counter to everything that has defined Star Trek from 1966 until recently. The original Shatner/Nimoy series was built on a classic Adventure of the Week model, where the Enterprise crew would go into orbit around a planet, get to know the locals, cause and/or solve a problem, and then move onto the next one. This was how most of television operated back then, but it was a structure that worked particularly well for Trek, allowing creator Gene Roddenberry and his collaborators to take big swings every week. Sometimes, they missed terribly, but that just meant they would have the freedom to try something else entirely for the following episode. Eighties and Nineties spinoffs Star Trek: The Next Generation and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine did the formula one better, combining the familiar standalone missions with ongoing character arcs about Data’s desire to be more human, or (on both series) Worf’s struggle to find a place for himself in the tumultuous Klingon Empire. Deep Space Nine eventually went very serialized, but that was at the end, and after the show had spent most of its run building to that and making the characters interesting enough to carry a prolonged interstellar war story. Serialization is all the rage in modern TV drama, but not every series is built for that. So far, Star Trek hasn’t been.

The latest spinoff, though, is a throwback in every sense — an attempt to boldly go where so many have gone before, even if it’s been a while.

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds is simultaneously a spinoff of Discovery and a prequel to the original series, with Anson Mount reprising his Discovery performance as Christopher Pike, the captain of the U.S.S. Enterprise immediately prior to James T. Kirk, and with a host of other familiar names and faces. Ethan Peck is back from Discovery as a younger Mr. Spock, as is Rebecca Romijn as Pike’s first officer, Una Chin-Riley, a.k.a. Number One. (Pike, Number One, and Spock were all featured in Roddenberry’s original Star Trek pilot, where the first two were played by Jeffrey Hunter and Roddenberry’s future wife Majel Barrett.) There are also more inexperienced versions of communications and linguistics expert Nyota Uhura (Celia Rose Gooding) and nurse Christine Chapel (Jess Bush, reinterpreting a different Majel Barrett character), plus Babs Olusanmokun as serene Dr. M’Benga, who appeared in a couple of episodes of the Sixties show. A few of the crew members are wholly original, including aloof chief engineer Hemmer (Bruce Horak) and confident helm officer Erica Ortegas (Melissa Navia). But even some of the newbies are linked to Trek lore: Security chief La’an Noonien-Singh shares a last name and some backstory with Ricardo Montalban’s genetically-engineered despot Khan, for instance...

...as Discovery and Picard have fumbled around looking for a direction, only occasionally reminding me of why I love the franchise in the first place, I’ve asked for Kurtzman and company to just let Star Trek be Star Trek. With Strange New Worlds, they finally have, and the power of possibility is palpable throughout.
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Crave TV _still_ only lists French as the language for this series, while the other Treks have both languages.

It makes the choice of subscribing difficult, especially since they've confirmed by email that this is the case. If anyone's got the EN link I'd like to see it.
 
It will be there when the show goes live tomorrow morning.

Though sometimes the French version does go live before the English one for whatever reason.
 
Yes, Race is the problem, as in it was changed from Caucasian to Black.
TAS was/is/could be Canon, in that series, he was drawn as a white male age 75. So the character was established as a white male.
Them changing the character to a black man for SNW is a problem, as they already established he was white in TAS.
It would be like, Hey this is Commodore Stocker, but played by an Filipino. Hey he was a minor character, so we can recast him to whomever we like. Nope. Invent another character or chose a old character that was the race you want.

Does that mean I'm raycist because a black man was cast? Nope, if they wanted a person of color, they could have gotten any number of already established black admirals/commodores, or invented an new out out of whole cloth. Honestly it would have been more refreshing if they cast someone from Turkey, or Greece, or Iran for the diversity hire. Would it have still been wrong? Yep, but i would have applauded them a bit for not going the black route for POC.
They didn't NEED to change his color, but for diversity sake? it was changed.. Why? there's no point to it. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of 60 ish white Canadien actors at the time.

Owell, its done, I can't change it, but I can point it out and be disappointed in them.
Yep Star Trek has always been 100% consistent in depiction of canon characters and races throughout its 58 year production history - the outrage is justified here...OH, WAIT:

The Klingon Captain Kor as depicted in TOS:
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The same Klingon, Kor in DS9:
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Yep, can't tell a difference here...LOVE the attention to the characters visual consistency.

Oh and here's the look of the first appearance of a 'Trill' from TNG:
TNG Trill Male:
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TNG Trill Female (to be fair this is the same character in that TNG episode/story):
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Here's a Trill from DS9:
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Yep - wow - can't see a difference...the attention to visual consistency between Star Trek episodes is AMAZING -- so consistent with no regard to what a TRUE Star Trek Executive Producer might feel is proper' for a character in a current story he/she wants to tell...(again)...OH, WAIT!

So yeah, give me a break with the 'concern' because we saw a version of a Trek character previously in one episode of TAS (which BTW was considered not canon by Gene Roddenberry and Paramount from 1987 to about 2006 -- and if the entities that still owned the rights to Filmation's properties/film library had managed to keep/renew them past 2006; would probably still be non-canon.)

Again, the only thing that's truly consistent WRT the Star Trek franchise in its 58 year history is the fact it's often inconsistent, depending on the needs of the story it wants to tell.
 
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It will be there when the show goes live tomorrow morning.

Though sometimes the French version does go live before the English one for whatever reason.
Again, I hope. The fact that they created the page a short while ago but only put in the FR version worries me.
 
We should all prepare for shocks if any lower decks characters make the jump to live action

I don't see why, all the voice actors are a good match for their characters.

How else to explain all those random isolated human colonies discovered, with only a few hundred settlers, where centuries later, there are white and black people?

That's always bothered me too, real world production logistics intruding on in-universe logic.
 
It's not a great fit with the old money/large Scottish family estate background.
Solution - change his background. If fans can swallow a British agent with a Scottish, Irish, English, Yorkshire, London accent, a black Bond from London, Birmingham or any major city or even the Caribbean is no big deal. Make him the son of a wealthy black (b)millionaire, they do exist in RL. Or keep the background, go back three generations and there are black folks with a white ancestor for 'historical reasons'. There is a valid reason why millions of us have European surnames.
 
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