Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Commander Troi]

You are all completely NUTS! I love it.

He is a damn fine handsome man, without question. I’ve seen many I interviews with him over the years, going back to the early days of Hell on Wheels and he always seemed like a very down-to-earth straight shooter kind of guy. Totally professional and just a kind-hearted individual. I honestly don’t think they could have picked a better actor to play Pike.

FYI, if you have not watched Hell On Wheels, do so. It's truly excellent.

Tying Burnham to Spock was not a 'nostalgia pandering' decision; it was a decision in the same vein as bringing Miles O'Brien and his family from TNG to DS9 or, in the realm of non-Star Trek, bringing Cordelia and Wesley from Buffy to ANGEL, both of which are decisions intended to give audiences something familiar to latch onto in a brand-new story and serve as a 'hook' to catch their interest.

I agree. It's the entire reason spin-offs exist.

I once had posters of the DS9 and TNG group pictures and one of the USS Defiant. Plus Jadzia Dax. Is that sexy?

Anyone who doesn't think Terry Farrell is sexy needs to be checked to see if they're still breathing.

Of course, the show is also centered around a man who knows his own fate. Playing with fatalism and predetermination is baked into the premise in a way that I've never seen before.

That isn't going to happen but if it did it would be awful, awful writing and make the Pike's choice in 'Through the valley of shadows' absolutely meaningless. Pike accepted his fate in order to get the time crystal and he is not the type character who will now try to avoid that fate. He's too heroic and noble for that.

The moment where he he saw his fate and accepted it for the greater good was the moment where he became one of my favorite characters in the entire franchise. I wouldn't want to take away from that moment.

All of these ^. I am really looking forward to seeing how the writers, and Anson, deal with this. Because this:

It's an issue because Pike knows about it. The other characters don't know their own fate. Realistically any normal person would be screaming about this from the rooftops and trying to avert it.

Pike is *not* a normal person. He's a Hero - and I mean that in the mythic sense. And that's why I want to watch him.

If that explanation would work for you, that's fine. Speaking for myself, that would be stretching like Reed Richards.

::Applause:: Damn fine simile ya got there.

Can we all agree, canon be damned, that the BEEP-BEEP wheelchair massively underestimated even technology for assisted speaking that came about 25 years down the pike (see: Stephen Hawking -- also, pun greatly intended). So, the idea that 23rd century tech couldn't be used to process his speech is incredibly ridiculous.

Awesome discussion follows this, but I wanted to briefly address this. I used to work in our state's Rehabilitation Services department. Technology is one thing - and most people have no idea what kinds of amazing assisted tech exists now - but as @Tim Thomason and @cooleddie74 point out, there are (and probably will continue to be) limits based on what kinds of impairment(s) a person has. If you are interested, google "assistive technology". There's useful stuff available even for (relatively) minor issues related with ageing.

Carry on my wayward sons (and daughters and others)!

 

[fireproof78]

Bad guys get to stay dead, at least until they get resurrected for more evil. And Georgiou was only created to be bumped off and replaced by the same actress. None of the main cast members is in any real danger, it feels like — no more so than TOS or TNG. Though I’d love to be proved wrong.

Me too but I'll be incredibly surprised if the "no one's safe " rule gets used in Trek going forward.

I think that anyone expecting Pike's fate to be changed is going to be disappointed.

Indeed.

 

[137th Gebirg]

FYI, if you have not watched Hell On Wheels, do so. It's truly excellent.

OH yes! Watched it from start to finish. I was actually originally drawn to it because I heard Colm Meaney was attached to the project (for obvious reasons). That, and I've always been drawn to quasi-historical dramas like that (Deadwood, Rome, etc.) I was pleasantly surprised at the depth of Mount's acting abilities in that show, as I had never heard of, or seen, him prior to that point. When I heard they chose him for DSC Pike, I knew he would bring it up a notch (and he did).

 

[The Old Mixer]

FYI, if you have not watched Hell On Wheels, do so. It's truly excellent.

 

[BillJ]

FYI, if you have not watched Hell On Wheels, do so. It's truly excellent.

It is. I checked it out when I heard that they were hiring Mount to play Pike. I now have Cullen Bohannon as one of Pike's ancestors.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I loved that show to death.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It was a great show. Made up for Mounts involvement with the Inhumans.

 

[Commander Troi]

It was a great show. Made up for Mounts involvement with the Inhumans.

Yes, the show sucked, but Anson did a ton of work coming up with his own sign language for Black Bolt. That impressed me.

 

[Jayson1]

It was a great show. Made up for Mounts involvement with the Inhumans.

Inhumans never existed. The timeline was erased by the TVA.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Looks like we might be encountering the Talarians again, given the prominence of of the talarian republic on the background map behind Spock

 

[Timo]

Or the Cardassians, since if and when they're again recycling the Star Charts layout of the political map, that's what Spock's handsome head is hiding...

Still not liking any of the uniform choices. But that 'do will do.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[dupersuper]

Yup.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Practical_Joker_(episode)

One thing. I don't remember exactly what Riker says in Encounter at Farpoint, but doesn't he say something to the effect of having never seen a simulation "this real" before? Maybe early holodecks were the equivalent of "CGI" from The Phantom Menace and by the time of The Next Generation the holodecks had "CGI" the equivalent of modern blockbusters?

I like to think that the aliens from Unexpected - who had holodecks 200 years before TNG - joined the Federation during the D's construction, and the Galaxy class ships were the first with the vastly improved holo-tech they brought with them.

This is from left field somewhere in the back of my mind ...

I could see Them doing a story in which Spock or Number 1 end up going into the future for some reason and finding that after spending a length of time on Talos, Pike was retrieved and offered a cure.
Be kinda cool if it was M'Benga that does it.
(also be cool if Pike turns it down)

There was an issue of DCs Star Trek series in which 2280s era Spock gets permission to go to Talos because medical technology has advanced to the point they can cure Pike, but Pike declines his offer to return.

 

[Timo]

One thing. I don't remember exactly what Riker says in Encounter at Farpoint, but doesn't he say something to the effect of having never seen a simulation "this real" before? Maybe early holodecks were the equivalent of "CGI" from The Phantom Menace and by the time of The Next Generation the holodecks had "CGI" the equivalent of modern blockbusters?

It's pretty clear that holodecks are just an extension of laterna magica. We got film, and thought it pretty cool, but film with sound was cooler. Colors, better still. Screens at home, an improvement. Bigger, flatter, bendable, 3D, 38DD, fully immersive - there is always room for improvement. I trust the devices of "Practical Joker" could do better than cartoon quality, and perhaps 2250s home sets could outperform the starship ones we saw in DIS (I mean, home entertainment tends to outperform comparable government work by a wide margin).

What SNW needs is just parity with DIS, meaning visually perfect holograms for everyday use. Our TOS heroes never were particularly impressed when facing those (especially since the VFX tech of the day would not have allowed for the portrayal of IMperfect holograms). Tactile feedback, editing, the AI behind the simulations, all those can be humorously lacking if need be. Or then not, and they are already perfect, but the discerning customer will want more perfect, and will get it.

No showstoppers there, then. Whatever the makers of SNW can come up with, it won't outperform TNG, because TNG, too, chiefly relied on old style VFX techniques where total perfection was the only option.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[DEWLine]

Inhumans never existed. The timeline was erased by the TVA.

Inhumans had excellent casting. Serinda Swan and Anson Mount have proven that with their work elsewhere. We need better writing and direction if we revisit the characters, though. And maybe, move the series from Hawai'i to Toronto?

But we digress.

 

[DaveyNY]

Inhumans had excellent casting. Serinda Swan and Anson Mount have proven that with their work elsewhere. We need better writing and direction if we revisit the characters, though. And maybe, move the series from Hawai'i to Toronto?

But we digress.

Is Disney/MARVEL planning an ETERNALS TV show?
I haven't seen anything about that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Is Disney/MARVEL planning an ETERNALS TV show?
I haven't seen anything about that.

Feature film.

 

[DaveyNY]

Feature film.

Yeah, that I know about, but DEWLine's post made it seem like there was a TV show also in the works.

I guess I read more into it than he meant.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yeah, that I know about, but DEWLine's post made it seem like there was a TV show also in the works.

I guess I read more into it than he meant.

The Inhumans are a different hidden race with superpowers than the Eternals.

 

[DaveyNY]

The Inhumans are a different hidden race with superpowers than the Eternals.

<HEAD SMACK> DUhhh ....

Can't believe I got them mixed up.

 

[DEWLine]

Inhumans were derived from human-baseline by the Kree as a weapons development project. MCU and comics versions, both share this backstory.
Comics-only, so far as I know right now: Eternals, centuries earlier, in a similar project by the Celestials, along with the Deviants. And mutant potential was built into our ancestors in the same Celestial project.

But again, we digress.