Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Orphalesion]

According to Dax on DS9 there was a Cardassian exile living on Vulcan in the 22nd Century, so the species was known, but official first contact probably hadn't happened yet.

Also what Romulan retcon?

Well, we don't have any official First Contact date with the Cardassians, so they could be in contact with the Federation in the SNW timeline.

As to the Romulans, weren't the humans in Balance of Terror surprised that the Romulans were Vulcan-relatives, because up until then they never had visual contact with the Romulans, (similarly to the Tholians)?

 

[Skywalker]

I wouldn't mind seeing the Cardassians since they were already established as a spacefaring race a century earlier, and Lorca had Cardassian voles in his lab, so they would have at least been known to the Federation by the 2250s. Apparently Pike had been awarded two Cardassian commendations, though, so if that's the case then the Federation has probably already contacted the Cardassian Union. But this could be around the time when Cardassian society started becoming more fascist and militaristic. It could be interesting to see that transition, particularly with what's happening in the world right now.

 

[The Wormhole]

If the tholians show up there would have to be no visual communication, TOS was the first time they were ever seen IIRC.

That's never been established at all.

Unless I’m misremembering, first contact with the Gorn was in TOS.

The Gorn can show up in the Section 31 show, since presumably they were the "alligators on Cestus III" Leland talked about on Disco.

 

[Orphalesion]

But this could be around the time when Cardassian society started becoming more fascist and militaristic. It could be interesting to see that transition, particularly with what's happening in the world right now.

Yes exactly! And it could show Cardassians that try to hold on to the less materialistic, older Cardassian culture. We could even see the reason for the drop in natural resources that caused the shift to their Space-Fascist mode in TNG/DS9.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Trills too, technically, but they would have be careful about making them secretive about their symbionts and avoiding transporters

All of that was implicitly retconned away by DS9...Dax's associates from prior hosts, including Sisko and the three Klingons, all seemed to have known about Dax's joined nature earlier than "The Host".

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'd rather not have any TNG species on SNW. It's a slippery slope to bringing in the Borg. Why not flesh out the Tholians or Gorn instead?

Because they have all those Borg props, sets and costumes left over from Picard season one

 

[Orphalesion]

All of that was implicitly retconned away by DS9...Dax's associates from prior hosts, including Sisko and the three Klingons, all seemed to have known about Dax's joined nature earlier than "The Host".

I mean it could still all be brought in accordance with one another, with saying that yes the Trill were known to the Federation and Klingongs for a very logn time, but the symbionts were kept secret (and Trills just refused the transporter, like McCoy) and after the reveal the knowledge spread very rapidly.
But I agree that I wouldn't be bothered if they chose to go with the "everybody always knew" option.

 

[Tuskin38]

As to the Romulans, weren't the humans in Balance of Terror surprised that the Romulans were Vulcan-relatives, because up until then they never had visual contact with the Romulans, (similarly to the Tholians)?

That's still true in canon.

Edit: Oh I mis-read your original post, I thought you meant they had already been retconned

 

[Skywalker]

I wonder if Betazed is part of the Federation in the 2250s. Harry Mudd used that time crystal to rob a bank there.

 

[Cyrus]

OK to see Carsassians. No to Borg and Ferengi.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I agree however that they shouldn't have Borg or Ferengi (both species that, ignoring Enterprise shoe horning them in, only have made contact with the Federation later on in the timeline)

It's a bit vague on when "first contact" with both might have happened. The first mention of the Ferengi occurs in "Encounter At Farpoint" and Picard is aware of them. In "the Last Outpost", the Federation knows enough about them to identify their ship and have a basic understanding of their nature, in spite of claiming to know next to nothing about them. And we know from "The Battle" ( and "Acquisition") that they were out and about causing trouble before the Enterprise met them.

Seven of Nine's parents were investigating the Borg as early as 2353, over a decade before the Enterprise met them. And of course Guinan met them a century before that. I've a feeling Starfleet Intelligence knew more about the Borg than they shared with Picard.

Not that I want to see either.

 

[Tuskin38]

Seven of Nine's parents were investigating the Borg as early as 2353, over a decade for the Enterprise met them. And of course Guinan met them a century before that. I've a feeling Starfleet Intelligence knew more about the Borg than they shared with Picard.

There is also a Stardate on a Borg file in Scoripion, that has the same Stardate Sulu gives in Star Trek 6.

 

[Skywalker]

Yeah, there's no way none of those El-Aurians the Enterprise-B rescued in GEN would have told Starfleet about the Borg. But that's still 30+ years in the future from when SNW starts, so hopefully they don't try to do anything with the Borg there. (And I say that as someone who really liked "Regeneration.")

 

[Orphalesion]

I wonder if Betazed is part of the Federation in the 2250s. Harry Mudd used that time crystal to rob a bank there.

You know...they never established the lifespan of Betazoids on-screen....so we could have an episode where Pike makes first contact with Betazed and meets a young Lwaxana Troi, played by Rebecca Romijn

(Joking here of course. Though Romijn could still, theoretically, play Lwaxana's mother in an episode)

 

[Tenacity]

there's no way none of those El-Aurians the Enterprise-B rescued in GEN would have told Starfleet about the Borg.

El-Aurians are listeners, not talkers.

All of that was implicitly retconned away by DS9...Dax's associates from prior hosts, including Sisko and the three Klingons, all seemed to have known about Dax's joined nature earlier than "The Host".

Knowledge by a few individuals doesn't mean it was general knowledge.

I doubt after the events of Amok Time that Kirk or McCoy broke Spock's confidence.

 

[Nerys Myk]

El-Aurians are listeners, not talkers.

Guinan always seemed to have something to say.

 

[DEWLine]

I want M'Ress. Don't care how that works continuity wise but color me interested if we bring her in.

We don't know a lot about Caitians in general, or M'Ress in particular. So that may be easier to handle from a continuity POV than we expect.

 

[DEWLine]

As to the idea of Eric Peterson as Dr. Boyce? It's as intriguing as hiring Jeffrey Coombs. I'd have a hard time choosing between the two actors, were I the casting director.

 

[DEWLine]

One thing annoying me about casting: Zaib Shaikh from Little Mosque on the Prairie is working as consul-general for Canada in Los Angeles right now. A big jump up from being Toronto's Film Commissioner after Little Mosque wrapped production. It would be great to have him do a gig on any Trek series right now.

 

[Kelso]

Mudd encountering the Enterprise before might be ok as he's pretending to be someone else in his first TOS appearance, but he can't encounter Spock. Maybe they'll have to have Spock away on a mission every time Mudd shows up.

Pike: Spock, you missed Mudd again!
Spock: Fascinating.

If they wanted to get clever about it... Harry's file displayed in "Mudd's Women" curiously includes "Future Police Record-Code X731248."

Given his time crystal shenanigans on Betazed and Discovery, it wouldn't be a leap for Mudd to get himself onto the radar of temporal authorities... who would, of course, be compelled to correct any continuity errors Mudd may cause on SNW.