Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Danja]

He can bring in a big movie director for a Trek movie. Let Kurtzman just do the tv stuff.

They're bringing in Simon Kinberg to handle the movie side:

X-Men Producer Simon Kinberg Reportedly In Talks To Oversee Star Trek Feature Films

There are also new details on the upcoming origin movie.

trekmovie.com

 

[DaveyNY]

It seems that the old regime wanted to end Trek to clear the decks for Skydance.
(and probably save a bunch of production money)

Kurtzman fought to keep SNW & the Academy show going through the changeover and a bit beyond.

Now the new regime is indicating that They are very excited to keep Star Trek in the public eye.
It would seem that They are probably going to keep at least part of the current production crew 'on call', in order to get whatever scripts that are approved, quickly onto a production schedule.

They've got at least two years of old 'new' Trek lined up to fill the void until Their plan of action is ready to be released.

 

[Mudd]

They're bringing in Simon Kinberg to handle the movie side:

X-Men Producer Simon Kinberg Reportedly In Talks To Oversee Star Trek Feature Films

There are also new details on the upcoming origin movie.

trekmovie.com

That article is well over a year old.

 

[gweeps]

I hope we get one more Lower Decks crossover.

 

[Jayson1]

It seems that the old regime wanted to end Trek to clear the decks for Skydance.
(and probably save a bunch of production money)

Kurtzman fought to keep SNW & the Academy show going through the changeover and a bit beyond.

Now the new regime is indicating that They are very excited to keep Star Trek in the public eye.
It would seem that They are probably going to keep at least part of the current production crew 'on call', in order to get whatever scripts that are approved, quickly onto a production schedule.

They've got at least two years of old 'new' Trek lined up to fill the void until Their plan of action is ready to be released.

Two years seem like a good amount of time to maybe find a replacement and maybe have a new show out in 4 years. Though I got to think they might have future tv projects on the back burner until after they do a movie.

 

[Danja]

Two years seem like a good amount of time to maybe find a replacement and maybe have a new show out in 4 years. Though I got to think they might have future tv projects on the back burner until after they do a movie.

Getting a movie out of these people is like building a cathedral (Read: It takes forever and a day ).

 

[DaveyNY]

Getting a movie out of these people is like building a cathedral (Read: It takes forever and a day ).

That was the old Paramount regime, Skydance seems (so far) to want to focus on putting new Trek on a fast track to theaters and then eventually back to streaming as well.

 

[Danja]

That was the old Paramount regime, Skydance seems (so far) to want to focus on putting new Trek on a fast track to theaters and then eventually back to streaming as well.

Surely they can do both at the same time.

 

[Firebird]

Surely they can do both at the same time.

Not when the new boss explicitly says the focus is to be on theatrical releases.

 

[The Wormhole]

Surely they can do both at the same time.

Can they, though? In the past, Star Trek's output has been the most optimal when they were focusing on movies or television, with the time period where they focused on both, the 90s, viewed as a detriment to both mediums. Even in more recent times, higher ups in other franchises like the MCU have blamed their recent problems on dividing their attention between movies and television at the same time and in Marvel's case they are beginning to shift back towards focusing on movies exclusively.

 

[Tallguy]

with the time period where they focused on both, the 90s, viewed as a detriment to both mediums.

Nobody likes the later seasons of Deep Space 9. Or any of Voyager. Or First Contact.

 

[The Wormhole]

Nobody likes the later seasons of Deep Space 9. Or any of Voyager. Or First Contact.

In terms of popularity, DS9 certainly wasn't top television when it aired, while Voyager and Enterprise were considered low points of the franchise, as were Insurrection and Nemesis on the movie end. Even First Contact, as the most successful of the TNG movies still falls short compared to even the most popular movies of the Trek franchise itself.

 

[Tallguy]

In terms of popularity, DS9 certainly wasn't top television when it aired

Neither was Star Trek.

Even First Contact, as the most successful of the TNG movies still falls short compared to even the most popular movies of the Trek franchise itself.

I'm not sure what that sentence means. Unless you meant "least popular". And by "movies of the Trek franchise itself" do you just mean TOS? Or even "TOS when they weren't making TNG"? I don't think there is much debate that First Contact is the most popular of the TNG movies. And
as much of a TMP guy that I am, I think the only films that "popularly" beat First Contact would be Wrath of Khan and The Voyage Home. MAYBE The Undiscovered Country if you get the right kind of fan.

(I mean, TMP is better than all of TNG, but that's a shock to some people.)

 

[The Wormhole]

I simply meant that though it is the most popular of the TNG movies, it doesn't have the popularity among the general audiences that movies like TWOK or even Trek XI have.

 

[Mudd]

Neither was Star Trek.

No.

But TNG was the most successful first-run syndicated hour in TV history up to that time, and sparked a mini-gold rush into that market. It would remain the most widely-watched until it was knocked off the pedestal by, IIRC, Xena: Warrior Princess.

DS9 beat TNG's ratings with its premiere, then trended steadily downward for the remainder of its run. In similar fashion, Voyager debuted somewhat above DS9's ratings at that point in its run, and then continued the downhill slide.

 

[Firebird]

Here’s the graph of the viewership numbers during the Berman era:

 

[Tallguy]

No.

But TNG was the most successful first-run syndicated hour in TV history up to that time, and sparked a mini-gold rush into that market. It would remain the most widely-watched until it was knocked off the pedestal by, IIRC, Xena: Warrior Princess.

DS9 beat TNG's ratings with its premiere, then trended steadily downward for the remainder of its run. In similar fashion, Voyager debuted somewhat above DS9's ratings at that point in its run, and then continued the downhill slide.

All true. But the statement:

with the time period where they focused on both, the 90s, viewed as a detriment to both mediums

I don't think I'd have to throw a rock too far to hit a few fans around here who would call the 90's peak Star Trek. (Not me.)

I mean, I SUPPOSE that my favorite movies are when they weren't making TV shows and my favorite shows are when they weren't making movies. But that's just because I like TOS better than anything and TFF and TUC are my least favorite TOS movies. I don't think TFF has the problems it has because they were making TNG. I don't think I would have liked the Berman movies better if they had foregone DS9 and Voyager. And I like DS9 better than TNG.

By the above definition that would claim that the JJ movies (no TV shows) AND the current Disco era (no movies) have been better than the entire Berman era (movies were made throughout).

 

[Noname Given]

That was the old Paramount regime, Skydance seems (so far) to want to focus on putting new Trek on a fast track to theaters and then eventually back to streaming as well.

I'll believe it when I see it. The 'old' regime at Paramount announced a 'Fourth Kelvin movie' going before the cameras by a certain date; yet none of the principal cast from the first 3 knew anything about it and Paramount still touted it for a few months after that.

I put Skydance in the same boat UNTIL we start hearing more from other sources with evidence of casting, pre-production location scouting, etc.

It's easy to say what you want to do. I'll wait to 'celebrate' until I see some verifiable action on those 'wants' myself.

 

[cooleddie74]

And ENT had a huge debut (11 million Nielsen viewers, if I remember the correct number?) and spent most of the next four years in decline from a debut peak that would never again be approached. By the end of Season 4 the series was averaging 2 or 3 million viewers per week, a dropoff of 70 to 80 percent from the 2001 premiere event).

 

[Noname Given]

And ENT had a huge debut (11 million Nielsen viewers, if I remember the correct number?) and spent most of the next four years in decline from a debut peak that would never again be approached. By the end of Season 4 the series was averaging 2 or 3 million viewers per week, a dropoff of 70 to 80 percent from the 2001 premiere event).

That was the pattern for every post TNG Berman era Trek series. A large Premiere viewer number and then a at first sharp and then more gradual decline in Viewership until the series ultimately ends its run.