Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[Jayson1]

Can they, though? In the past, Star Trek's output has been the most optimal when they were focusing on movies or television, with the time period where they focused on both, the 90s, viewed as a detriment to both mediums. Even in more recent times, higher ups in other franchises like the MCU have blamed their recent problems on dividing their attention between movies and television at the same time and in Marvel's case they are beginning to shift back towards focusing on movies exclusively.

One difference though is Trek I think will always be seen more of a tv franchise than a movie franchise. Most of Trek's best stuff has come from the tv shows.

 

[Yistaan]

One difference though is Trek I think will always be seen more of a tv franchise than a movie franchise. Most of Trek's best stuff has come from the tv shows.

Only Mission Impossible I think made the jump from tv franchise to movie franchise, and even that involved Tom Cruise basically taking a sledgehammer to the tv show and altering it beyond all recognition.

 

[Danja]

Only Mission Impossible I think made the jump from tv franchise to movie franchise, and even that involved Tom Cruise basically taking a sledgehammer to the tv show and altering it beyond all recognition.

*** Jim Phelps ***

 

[DaveyNY]

*** Jim Phelps ***

After that in the first one, I've never watched any of the following IM movies.

 

[Turtletrekker]

After that in the first one, I've never watched any of the following IM movies.

Same.

 

[cooleddie74]

My interest level in those films plummeted after 1996, and it wasn't exactly sky high even then.

 

[Tallguy]

There have been a few of them that are pretty fantastic. The One With Dubai and The One Where He Hangs On the Jet are standouts.

Avoid II like the plague. That's the one with the plague.

 

[Campe]

The last two were awful.

 

[Yistaan]

Instead of evil Jim Phelps in the first film which alienated a bunch of fans, they should've had Leonard Nimoy come back as evil Paris.

 

[Danja]

Instead of evil Jim Phelps in the first film which alienated a bunch of fans, they should've had Leonard Nimoy come back as evil Paris.

Shhh! Spoiler Alert!

(J/K. It's been thirty years. )

 

[Jayson1]

I don't understand why people get upset that Jim Phelps was turned evil. I would understand if it was Jim Phelps still being played by Peter Graves. With a new actor and a movie not connected to the tv show then it really doesn't hit the same.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't understand why people get upset that Jim Phelps was turned evil. I would understand if it was Jim Phelps still being played by Peter Graves. With a new actor and a movie not connected to the tv show then it really doesn't hit the same.

I think Graves said "No."

They could have named Cruise's character "Jim Phelps".

 

[Jayson1]

I wonder why they didn't. Only thing I can think of is maybe Cruise didn't want to invite comparisons between his version of the character and Peter Graves version.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I think Graves said "No."

Actually, Graves said that he was never even approached, but probably wouldn't have taken the part if offered given what the script does to the Phelps character.

https://www.nydailynews.com/1996/05/26/peter-graves-your-mission-should-you-choose-to-accept-itwork-out-why-tom-cruise-turned-his-new-movie-into-mission-impossible/

 

[Yistaan]

I don't understand why people get upset that Jim Phelps was turned evil. I would understand if it was Jim Phelps still being played by Peter Graves. With a new actor and a movie not connected to the tv show then it really doesn't hit the same.

I mean, recasts don't change audiences' attachment to the characters. You need look no further than this very board to see people up in arms about how Kirk, Scotty, Spock, or Uhura are portrayed in SNW despite being played by different actors.

 

[Jayson1]

Granted in SNW those versions are suppose to become the same people we saw on TOS. Being part of the same shared continuity does bring on more expectations. On the other hand people loved Starbuck on Battlestar Galatica and I think it helped that the show was not really connected to the old show so it's not like she was someday going to turn into Dirk Benedict.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't understand why people get upset that Jim Phelps was turned evil. I would understand if it was Jim Phelps still being played by Peter Graves. With a new actor and a movie not connected to the tv show then it really doesn't hit the same.

Because it wasn't what they expected.

See, well, every discussion around Star Trek to understand how unmet expectations and head canon impact perception.

 

[Jayson1]

For me I went into the movie having never seen the show so it didn't impact me like it has others. Now A few years ago I did watch the old show. I still feel basically the same. As for the show I thought it was good but started loose steam in the later seasons. They went from dealing with international crimes to American gangsters every week it seemed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

For me I went into the movie having never seen the show so it didn't impact me like it has others. Now A few years ago I did watch the old show. I still feel basically the same. As for the show I thought it was good but started loose steam in the later seasons. They went from dealing with international crimes to American gangsters every week it seemed.

That's what happens when when your show starts in the height of the Cold War and has to pivot later on.

 

[fireproof78]

For me I went into the movie having never seen the show so it didn't impact me like it has others. Now A few years ago I did watch the old show. I still feel basically the same. As for the show I thought it was good but started loose steam in the later seasons. They went from dealing with international crimes to American gangsters every week it seemed.

I watched the film, never saw the show. The film was stupid. I hate the whole set up of the story. Had nothing to do with the characters, who I'm ambivalent towards, but a story that just doesn't work for me.