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Oh C'mon. Why would I state that a fictional character is proof of no god in real life. Of course I was talking about the show. This is trekbbs, sometimes you have to have give people the benefit of the doubt that they are not morons and are as "on topic" as one can get in this place. Trek has had many super powerful beings that seemed like a god, or were actual historical gods ( again in Trek, not in real life ). Q was another one of them. Did Roddenberry and the writing staff not have these characters in the show to send a message that if there were gods, they were just aliens with cool tech?
I never saw Q as a god. I think I kind of hated him as a kid until "All Good Things." As an adult who semirecently binged TOS straight into TNG I see him as a rather interesting take on what advanced cultures might do to lesser advanced ones without the prime directive, but also without any real malice.
No clue, hence the question. Thanks for the clarification.
Would anybody else like to see SNW visiting Ardana so that we can see Stratos redone with modern technology and production values?
Currently watching Cloud Minders for the first time and the location is very pretty/imaginative for what they could do with a 1960s TV budget/technology, wouldn't mind seeing what modern technology could do with it.
I suppose there'd be some continuity problems and a question on what they'd actually do on Ardana...
Or maybe a similarly floating city, maybe on a Gas Giant, like Cloud City in Star Wars.
Currently watching Cloud Minders for the first time and the location is very pretty/imaginative for what they could do with a 1960s TV budget/technology, wouldn't mind seeing what modern technology could do with it.
I suppose there'd be some continuity problems and a question on what they'd actually do on Ardana...
Or maybe a similarly floating city, maybe on a Gas Giant, like Cloud City in Star Wars.
I think it would be cool. One cool thing about the show is it would allow us to maybe revisit some TOS worlds and sort of make them look better with modern CGI and Stratos would be a good one. I also would love to see them take a crack on one of the planets that look like modern earth. I mean they don't need to just like they didn't need to explain Klingon foreheads but it would be kind of cool to maybe explore it. I also want to see who Herbert is and why the space hippies were so down on the man. Maybe he wanted to reach but he just didn't know how.
Jason
Jason
I'm for the ocasional Tos or other show inspired episode, or revisit, but i REALLY want it to stand on its own in that it does its own thing without relying on crutchs of older stuff.
I liked Enterprise Season 4 but it really went to the TOS well to much for story ideas. Its like the Han Solo movie, yes we see a younger Han, but did anybody ask for it? Nope.
I liked Enterprise Season 4 but it really went to the TOS well to much for story ideas. Its like the Han Solo movie, yes we see a younger Han, but did anybody ask for it? Nope.
Agreed. I know it's a funny thing to think, given Pike, Spock and the Enterprise, but I hope the show very rarely goes to the nostalgia well.
I do think they should have an episode that states that with Pikes viewing of the future, they've spun off into another quantum universe, meaning anyone can die, while TOS timeline can remain intact. I mean, it probably won't happen, but that should help up the stakes a bit.
I do think they should have an episode that states that with Pikes viewing of the future, they've spun off into another quantum universe, meaning anyone can die, while TOS timeline can remain intact. I mean, it probably won't happen, but that should help up the stakes a bit.
No regulars died in TOS, and it was just fine.
I don’t mind alternate timelines, but I don’t see it as necessary, here.
That said, my personal preference would have been a post-TOS show centered on Rebecca Romijn’s character as captain of her own ship (by tradition, the Yorktown). Maybe eventually…
I don’t mind alternate timelines, but I don’t see it as necessary, here.
That said, my personal preference would have been a post-TOS show centered on Rebecca Romijn’s character as captain of her own ship (by tradition, the Yorktown). Maybe eventually…
My thinking was that possibly over time the memory of Pikes future may start to fade, until he has no recollection of it at all. Otherwise, why would he put himself into the situation that causes his accident?
To preserve the timeline.
Also the Klingon said it couldn't be changed.
As I said upthread, given we have metaknowledge that Pike and Spock are supposed to survive the series, I would kinda enjoy a running trope where Number One is put in what seems like life-threatening situations over, and over, and over.
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Perhaps it can be altered.
All the events play out as we have already seen but Pike has an opportunity to make the actual injury less severe or just make it look like he was severely injured with a bit of help from allies.
We see Pike in the chair but we don't see anything else.
They did it on the 12 Monkeys show multiple times.
Discovery has done it as well.
However, in the future we saw, he only just managed to save the other cadets from a similar fate. I find it hard to believe that if Pike knew other people were in danger, he would needlessly put their lives at risk or knowingly expose them to the trauma of seeing him injured.
And as Admiral Cromwell said, there was no guarantee he wouldn’t die if he was the one behind the blast door instead of her.
It kinda makes any situation on the whole show where they may be heading into danger redundant if Pike knows that it won’t matter cause he will at least survive long enough for that accident to happen.
Personally I would prefer the show to be set prior to Discovery S2 and Pike learning his fate.
Pike would not stop living his life.
Well for a long time I was talking about a Pike show set on Talos and even once brought up the idea of Pike and Vina someday leaving and returning to the real world so to speak. I don't think it would violate canon. We only assume he and her lived out their lives on the planet but it's not established for certain. I even like the idea that they are recruited by a Federation TImeship explaining why Pike if he left never made a major impact afterwards according to history books. Do a Trek show about time travel where the main characters are various people from different time periods wort of working together on behalf of some 29th century Starfleet people. They are suppose to study history and also protect it from future people who want to exploit the power of time travel.
Jason
Jason
Indeed. I'm rather perplexed by the idea always going around that a show needs to kill its main cast in order to be entertaining. Truth is, even in this day and age when a character in the main cast gets killed off, it's almost always public knowledge in advance because it's been reported the actor is leaving the show, or been cast in another show or a movie with filming schedule that makes it impossible to be on the show anymore. Or their contract is a matter of public record, whatever. So you can pretty much guarantee during a majority of the episodes, even when the characters are in mortal peril, they're going to survive anyway.
Even on shows with a reputation for regularly killing off their main casts like Game of Thrones or The Walking Dead, they usually only kill their main characters in key episodes of the seasons, like premieres, finales or midseason storylines. So you can watch those episodes for 90% of the time and know no one is going to be killed off. The one exception to that rule was when Rick left The Walking Dead, in the fifth episode of a sixteen episode season. But it was heavily promoted in the show's trailers and commercials for two months in advance that he'd be leaving in the fifth episode, so they still weren't trying to fool the audience by going against the norms there.
Shows don't need to always kill it's character but if your show is dealing with action and life and death situations you got to kill people who matter once in awhile to make people feel like danger. Most importantly though killing a character isn't so much a major issue as it is that shows in order to stay fresh constantly need to keep reinventing itself and bringing in new idea's and stories instead of turning in a basic formula you repeat over and over and fans get bored with. TOS was kind of spared the boring later seasons by being cancelled before it's time.
Jason
Jason
A few items:
1. You don't necessarily need death to keep things fresh.
2. I hate going by general consensus but, nevertheless: for TNG, DS9, and ENT the general consensus is that those series got better during the later seasons. The only exception to this is arguably VOY. So the "boring later seasons" argument hasn't applied to Star Trek so far.
3. With these new shorter seasons, at 10 episodes each, the fifth season of SNW will be like the late-second season of an older show. Especially since it'll be episodic. That means it'll take a lot longer to wear out its welcome. It would take eight seasons for SNW to match the episode count of TOS's three seasons. Which it's most likely not going to do.
4. This is the Star Trek show you asked for.
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DS9 did kill some people though over the years. Eddington, Muniz and Jadzia and what they didn't do with death they did with tons of change. Dominion in full fprce in season 3 and Worf and the Klingons in season 4 and the Maquis came and went and secondary characters kept becoming more and more part of the shows success and they were adding new ones even into season 6 with Vic Fontaine. Also they finished with a war in the last two seasons and introduced Section 31.
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