Spoilers Strange New Worlds General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

5 matching ships called together specifically for war games is not the same thing as an emergency fleet.

An emergency fleet is something I would want as uniform as possible. And it's about force projection, the ability of Starfleet to defend this new protectorate. So bringing their might to bear, rather than a mixed fleet, makes way more sense. It's like Starfleet actually learned something from the Borg attacks.

 

[gvn2fly]

It's lazy producing.

It would be one thing if this was the 1960s, and they had to do copy/paste because they couldn't afford to do better, but the current art department could have done a proper, mixed fleet in an afternoon.

Have we been given an official reason on why they did this? Was it a last minute decision to have the fleet show up and that's all they had time for as COVID was starting? And while perhaps lazy, I don't really see how it impacts the show to be honest. At the end of the day it's a VFX shot and those were the ships that showed up in universe. It literally has no real impact on the plot. Sure, seeing mixed classes of ships would have looked better but the story would have still played out the exact same way.

 

[Kzinti]

They finally have a show runner who's not embarrassed to make a show that looks like Star Trek

 

[gvn2fly]

It also adds nothing. The reality was production limits. If Ultimate Computer is acceptable then I will stand by the idea that this fleet is acceptable.

True, but my point was that the poster seemed to be misleading in what he posted earlier and misstated Doug's words. Here is what he said earlier in this thread

"The same people who are being trusted with this are the ones who told Doug Drexler that "no one will even notice" (direct quote" from a conversation with me by DM) the copypasta Starfleet from Picard season one. It's not that they are incompetent, it's that they just don't give a frak."

Drexler didn't say anyone told him anything. He said the producers thought no one would notice as a commentary. He didnt say Akiva Goldsman told me no one would notice or the producers told me no one would notice.

 

[fireproof78]

Agreed. Embarrassed by Star Trek? What does that even mean?

 

[Belz...]

I have to give you this one. I was searching my brain looking for any example and I completely forgot the Ultimate Computer. Still, that was only a tiny fleet and larger fleets are always more mixed.

Well, First Contact had several new class designs but it copy-pasted them quite a bit. I think the difference is that the PIC fleet was all of (very slight variations of) a single ship class. Just throwing the Enterprise-E as Riker's ship would've been enough.

Have we been given an official reason on why they did this? Was it a last minute decision to have the fleet show up and that's all they had time for as COVID was starting?

The dialogue seems to indicate that having a fleet of the same class of ships was what was intended.

 

[gvn2fly]

The dialogue seems to indicate that having a fleet of the same class of ships was what was intended.

You're right!

Riker: "Right now I'm on the bridge of the toughest, fastest, most powerful ship Starfleet has ever put into service. And I've got a fleet of them at my back.

 

[fireproof78]

You're right!

Riker: "Right now I'm on the bridge of the toughest, fastest, most powerful ship Starfleet has ever put into service. And I've got a fleet of them at my back.

Almost like it was relevant to the story or something.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

As much as I appreciated the dialogue and visuals being in sync, it didn't make me any happier to see the fleet of identical ships, which is a bit of an issue as the scene was supposed to be Riker's big damn hero moment. I was supposed to have a positive reaction to the fleet's arrival, not a negative one.

 

[gvn2fly]

As much as I appreciated the dialogue and visuals being in sync, it didn't make me any happier to see the fleet of identical ships, which is a bit of an issue as the scene was supposed to be Riker's big damn hero moment. I was supposed to have a positive reaction to the fleet's arrival, not a negative one.

Yea, it's a different thing to say a creative decision made didn't work than it is to make up that they did it because they don't care and thought no one would notice.

 

[urbandefault]

Oops, I must have clicked on a Picard thread by mistake.

 

[fireproof78]

As much as I appreciated the dialogue and visuals being in sync, it didn't make me any happier to see the fleet of identical ships, which is a bit of an issue as the scene was supposed to be Riker's big damn hero moment. I was supposed to have a positive reaction to the fleet's arrival, not a negative one.

Can I ask why? Like, I get it. I'm not a ship guy but a fleet of identical ships with a stated purpose is a negative?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I suppose I've been conditioned to expect varied fleets from Starfleet, it's something that defines them. Other races tend to send out multiple ships of the same class, in other franchises like Star Wars you often see the heroic Jedi arriving in a fleet of identical cruisers, but Starfleet isn't like that. Except here it was, and it was a little disappointing for it to happen in the big '2399-era Starfleet isn't actually so different to how you remember them after all!' moment.

 

[fireproof78]

I suppose I've been conditioned to expect varied fleets from Starfleet, it's something that defines them. Other races tend to send out multiple ships of the same class, in other franchises like Star Wars you often see the heroic Jedi arriving in a fleet of identical cruisers, but Starfleet isn't like that. Except here it was, and it was a little disappointing for it to happen in the big '2399-era Starfleet isn't actually so different to how you remember them after all!' moment.

I'm confused. The point of the scene was that Starfleet had to recover and not be "like you remember."

That was Season 2.

 

[Yistaan]

You're right!

Riker: "Right now I'm on the bridge of the toughest, fastest, most powerful ship Starfleet has ever put into service. And I've got a fleet of them at my back.

The dialogue is itself nonsensical considering that the person Riker was telling this to was herself a high ranking Starfleet officer, albeit a double agent, and would already know this.

 

[fireproof78]

The dialogue is itself nonsensical considering that the person Riker was telling this to was herself a high ranking Starfleet officer, albeit a double agent, and would already know this.

It really isn't. Oh was hoping that Starfleet's outlawing synths would hold weight, rather than Picard being successful in reaching the admiral and getting back up.

The point isn't what the ships are-it's what they represent.

 

[Noname Given]

I suppose I've been conditioned to expect varied fleets from Starfleet, it's something that defines them. Other races tend to send out multiple ships of the same class, in other franchises like Star Wars you often see the heroic Jedi arriving in a fleet of identical cruisers, but Starfleet isn't like that. Except here it was, and it was a little disappointing for it to happen in the big '2399-era Starfleet isn't actually so different to how you remember them after all!' moment.

You can say that with a straight face after 79 episodes of TOS?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Hey I already said I forgot the Ultimate Computer!

 

[DaveyNY]

The fleet at the end of PICARD Season 1 is only an issue for those folks who want to make it an issue.

It fits perfectly based on the events Star Fleet had endured in the previous years with the Dominion War and the Synth attack.

Personally, I don't give a rats-ass about BTS reasons when an 'In-Universe' explanation is so obvious.

 

[cooleddie74]

I stopped caring for the most part a while back. I'd add registries and names to some of the hulls but other than that...meh.