Spoilers Starfleet Academy General Discussion Thread

[Set Harth]

Kurtzman has personally burned all copies of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT and ensured only his vision of Star Trek continues on.

This is true. When he showed up to burn my copy of TOS I tried to stop him. Boy was that a mistake. He basically threw me around like a ragdoll. And then as I was lying there he urinated on me while screaming "WHERE IS YOUR CANON NOW". I thought that was a bit excessive.

 

[Jayson1]

The issue is perhaps that people who are invested in "culture war" stuff are incredibly hypersensitive to literally everything nowadays in a way they might not have been in, say, 1990. That's not to understate the level of bullshit that was around back then, but the situation now is so extreme that they'll be sent into a rage by the most minor inconsequential shit, and if they can't find anything, they'll construct something out of thin air.

I don't generally follow the outrage but from what I've seen, they almost always use close-ups of Kerrice Brooks in their thumbnails is revolting; even in this week's episode which I didn't enjoy, her performance carried a lot of it. She's giving by far the most Trek-like performance in the entire show thus far, she'd have fit perfectly into a show like Voyager, and yet she's the prime target for hate because... well, we know why.

That's not to tar all criticism with the same brush because I'm sure there's a lot of commentators who strongly dislike the show on entirely fair artistic grounds, and I myself think a lot of the Kurtzman era has been dire, but there definitely is a substantial number of right-wingers who don't give a shit about the show itself and are purely interested in Star Trek, and all other media, as nothing more than an aid to their increasingly-deranged, incredibly muddled sociopolitical views. TNG could come out today with zero changes and they'd set upon it in an instant.

My main hobby is videogames and it's happened in that scene too to a truly extraordinary degree; a great number of "gamers" don't even play games anymore, they just watch trailers looking for female or non-white characters and then the meltdowns commence.

The culture war and the internet has made everyone hypersensitive these days. We are not living in a "live and let live" society right now. People are also not exactly shy in letting others know how much they hate you. Before the internet and social media some things might be assumed but now people face daily attacks on the character and values. It's pretty much destroyed any kind of social cohesion people need for society function in a healthy way.

America is especially hit hard because we are very diverse society which means lots of different ideas on how society is suppose to be. Combine that with nobody in power who cares about unifying people then it effects everything and yes it even consumes what we use to call pop culture, which is now just culture and culture and politics have become one in the same.

 

[fireproof78]

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[trekfan_1]

Serious question on an admittedly not so serious thing - Why do so many characters/actors talk on this show with a lisp? Slurring the "s" s. Even the Doctor at times?

Again not a biggie, but it is jarring at times.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Serious question on an admittedly not so serious thig - Why do so many characters/actors talk on this show with a lisp? Slurring the "s" s. Even the Doctor at times?

It's just a feature of his aging subroutine, not a bug.

 

[tenmei]

Serious question on an admittedly not so serious thing - Why do so many characters/actors talk on this show with a lisp? Slurring the "s" s. Even the Doctor at times?

Again not a biggie, but it is jarring at times.

Such as?

 

[trekfan_1]

Such as?

Captain Ake
The new Dax Character
SAM at times (I think)
Numerous other secondary/small bit characters at times
The Doctor

I don't have time stamps. But last night my wife asked me why is Dax slurring her S?. We speculated maybe a choice from the actor, the make up/mouth piece was causing it. ..... But then we realized its present at times throughout the show with other characters too

 

[tenmei]

Captain Ake
The new Dax Character
SAM at times (I think)
Numerous other secondary/small bit characters at times
The Doctor

I don't have time stamps. But last night my wife asked me why is Dax slurring her S?. We speculated maybe a choice from the actor, the make up/mouth piece was causing it. ..... But then we realized its present at times throughout the show with other characters too

I think you might need to give time stamps cos at least one of the above is the actors natural accent. And none of the others have had an obvious lisp.

 

[Tuskin38]

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[Agony_Boothb]

Captain Ake
The new Dax Character
SAM at times (I think)
Numerous other secondary/small bit characters at times
The Doctor

I don't have time stamps. But last night my wife asked me why is Dax slurring her S?. We speculated maybe a choice from the actor, the make up/mouth piece was causing it. ..... But then we realized its present at times throughout the show with other characters too

Holly Hunter is fully deaf in her left ear which she has said affects her speech. It causes Hunter to talk out of the right side of her mouth which i think results a bit of a lisp.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

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If they're heading to Ni'Var, I demand T'rina show up.

 

[valkyrie013]

Okay.. Now that they have done a DS9 "Tribute" Episode of sorts..

Now they can do and Enterprise one and Jetison that Finale episode that won't be named.. And have The Mystery of Charles Tucker III..

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Okay.. Now that they have done a DS9 "Tribute" Episode of sorts..

Now they can do and Enterprise one and Jetison that Finale episode that won't be named.. And have The Mystery of Charles Tucker III..

'A quest for the perfect pan-fried catfish recipe, leads Sam to uncover long buried Starfleet secrets about the fate of one of the crew of Enterprise NX-01...'

 

[Detached Nacelle]

SAM discovers large numbers of people believe the fictional holographic fate of Charles Tucker III and questions whether organics and photonics can co-exist if holograms are used by organics to decieve

 

[Elaise]

The issue is perhaps that people who are invested in "culture war" stuff are incredibly hypersensitive to literally everything nowadays in a way they might not have been in, say, 1990. That's not to understate the level of bullshit that was around back then, but the situation now is so extreme that they'll be sent into a rage by the most minor inconsequential shit, and if they can't find anything, they'll construct something out of thin air.

I don't generally follow the outrage but from what I've seen, they almost always use close-ups of Kerrice Brooks in their thumbnails is revolting; even in this week's episode which I didn't enjoy, her performance carried a lot of it. She's giving by far the most Trek-like performance in the entire show thus far, she'd have fit perfectly into a show like Voyager, and yet she's the prime target for hate because... well, we know why.

That's not to tar all criticism with the same brush because I'm sure there's a lot of commentators who strongly dislike the show on entirely fair artistic grounds, and I myself think a lot of the Kurtzman era has been dire, but there definitely is a substantial number of right-wingers who don't give a shit about the show itself and are purely interested in Star Trek, and all other media, as nothing more than an aid to their increasingly-deranged, incredibly muddled sociopolitical views. TNG could come out today with zero changes and they'd set upon it in an instant.

My main hobby is videogames and it's happened in that scene too to a truly extraordinary degree; a great number of "gamers" don't even play games anymore, they just watch trailers looking for female or non-white characters and then the meltdowns commence.

I keep seeing this but I have yet to see any actual impact evidence of these channels and haters. I used to believe the same thing back in the day but the evidence was just never there.

These channels and so on just represent and echo chamber for people who were never going to watch the show to begin with and they are a minority.

Its the same with gaming. The games not live or die because of these "chud" they do it on their own merits for better or worse.

 

[Starflight]

I don't believe they have a major effect on things, but there definitely are review-bombing campaigns that are successful in making imdb/RT/Metacritic ratings unusually low, or instances where a few talking points (which may not even be relevant to the actual show/game) wind up having an outsized influence over online engagement in a way that harms the ability of fans, or even reasonable critics, to form discussions.

 

[Elaise]

I don't believe they have a major effect on things, but there definitely are review-bombing campaigns that are successful in making imdb/RT/Metacritic ratings unusually low, or instances where a few talking points (which may not even be relevant to the actual show/game) wind up having an outsized influence over online engagement in a way that harms the ability of fans, or even reasonable critics, to form discussions.

I agree with most of what you wrote there. There is review bombing, and they use bots to do it. Both IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes say they have measures in place to prevent this or correct for it. New shows, however, live in the moment and usually will not be remembered unless they go viral, which is rare. In the end, I have no idea how many people actually pay attention to the ratings. I tried looking at Google Trends to see traffic, but I do not see a way to view volume.

There are essentially many mini echo chambers out there, including here. I will give this place some credit, though, because it allows for more open discussion. At the same time, this mostly reinforces people’s existing ideas and does not really allow their views to be challenged.

 

[Campe]

I make no secret that I enjoy Kurtzman era Trek. I also under no uncertain circumstances think that it’s perfect. And while I typically don’t engage in others fair criticism, what bothers me is the superficial criticism. That of people who can’t look past the window dressing (that includes character’s race, body type, and yes, even whether or not the makeup is accurate to previous Star Trek. That goes down to other things like technology and planets, etc., etc., etc.).

I get that as Star Trek fans, we know how to pick nits like no other fandom. But also, we have a history of making things work. We try to fill in the blanks. Hating a production, just for instance because it’s a new “issue,” the consistency of a fictitious snack, just doesn’t compute with me.

But if you have a real beef with a story or a character, by all means. Go nuts.

 

[Dukhat]

Okay.. Now that they have done a DS9 "Tribute" Episode of sorts..

Now they can do and Enterprise one and Jetison that Finale episode that won't be named.. And have The Mystery of Charles Tucker III..

Yes class, today we're going to learn about some nobody from 1,000 years ago who got himself killed in the most idiotic of ways. Or did he?...

 

[fireproof78]

I make no secret that I enjoy Kurtzman era Trek. I also under no uncertain circumstances think that it’s perfect. And while I typically don’t engage in others fair criticism, what bothers me is the superficial criticism. That of people who can’t look past the window dressing (that includes character’s race, body type, and yes, even whether or not the makeup is accurate to previous Star Trek. That goes down to other things like technology and planets, etc., etc., etc.).

I get that as Star Trek fans, we know how to pick nits like no other fandom. But also, we have a history of making things work. We try to fill in the blanks. Hating a production, just for instance because it’s a new “issue,” the consistency of a fictitious snack, just doesn’t compute with me.

But if you have a real beef with a story or a character, by all means. Go nuts.

Indeed. But, for me, the appeal to review sites, or the appeal to the majority is a nonstarter for asking me to consider an alternative point of view. Similar to the nonstarter of Kurtzman hates _________ (Utopia, Star Trek, canon, etc.). It's assuming that this is a universally accepted truth. Sorry, that's just too broad to find it anywhere close to believable.

But, if you have a beef with the story or character then let's discuss it. I've made no secret that I do not like Picard as a character. He presents as arrogant, overbearing, and at times a bit dense. But, there are also some excellent episodes with him, and Stewart is an excellent actor. and my dislike of Picard as a a character is a credit to the character.

Now, with Starfleet Academy do I like all of it? No. But, it is very enjoyable and I find most of the characters interesting and engaging. And I'd rather discuss that than the canon.