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Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 4x01 - "Valles Marineris"

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Its just an opinion. None are better. You all have 15 episodes to enjoy. I will watch but I doubt ill like them. But ill watch. As usual we'll all debate them.



Opinions are just opinions. You aren't going to agree with everyone.
A lot of your opinions seem to involve, "I hate this thing and I wish it didn't exist, regardless that other people actually like it. If I must suffer, so must they."
 
The short answer to this is unless their parents are paying for Paramount, then no. The Berman/Braga era of Trek came when kids didn't really need their parents' permission to watch Trek because it was on free broadcast tv.

There's been a lot of complaints that new Trek isn't attracting kids when the very model of how Trek is shown precludes kids who don't have money for subscriptions even being able to watch Trek. They are entirely at the whim of their parents who may or may not have a Paramount subscription.

Star Trek was literally born through free syndicated reruns of TOS. It's hard to recapture that fandom in a way when the entire business model of Star Trek is different now.

Sadly reruns of TOS are on late Saturday night when kids are sleeping. When I was younger they were played consistently for at least till the mid 90's every Saturday and Sunday locally at 6pm. I discovered the show when I was like 4. So I had access to reruns for at least 20 years and watched them very often. I think they are shown on heroes and icons as well but again very late at night and that includes all the Roddenberry/Berman shows as well.

So yeah things have changed. We are probably most definitely seeing the end of an Era. Most shows don't get the fan bases they did just 10-15 years ago.
 
9. While I continue to have major problems with this series, this episode was fun with a large-scale and ambitious story that I wish these "writers" would do more of. I agree it's the kind of story Roddenberry would have done if he had the resources. Look at The Planet of the Titans script that was to be the first Star Trek movie?
 
Its just an opinion. None are better. You all have 15 episodes to enjoy. I will watch but I doubt ill like them. But ill watch. As usual we'll all debate them.
When you give an opinion and say you don't like an episode and/or a particular show , that's one thing. When you say that your opinion is based on "protect[ing] the integrity of trek," that's quite another thing entirely.
 
The Berman/Braga era of Trek came when kids didn't really need their parents' permission to watch Trek because it was on free broadcast tv.

That's a very incomplete analysis of the situation. Who controlled the TVs?

In 1990, 35% of TV households in the US had only one TV [link]. If Star Trek conflicted with something that the parents wanted to watch, Star Trek wasn't getting watched, regardless of how free and over the air it was.

In households with two TVs, it doesn't follow that any of the kids got to decide what was on the other TV. Maybe the second TV was in the parents' bedroom. And even when it was up to the kids, maybe Star Trek was ruled out because one of the other siblings wanted to watch something else.

TL;DR - A kid who wanted to watch Star Trek, even in the Berman era, often literally needed their parents' permission.
 
That's a very incomplete analysis of the situation. Who controlled the TVs?

In 1990, 35% of TV households in the US had only one TV [link]. If Star Trek conflicted with something that the parents wanted to watch, Star Trek wasn't getting watched, regardless of how free and over the air it was.

In households with two TVs, it doesn't follow that any of the kids got to decide what was on the other TV. Maybe the second TV was in the parents' bedroom. And even when it was up to the kids, maybe Star Trek was ruled out because one of the other siblings wanted to watch something else.

TL;DR - A kid who wanted to watch Star Trek, even in the Berman era, often literally needed their parents' permission.
I never claimed to have a complete analysis (I'm not writing a thesis on tv financing/marketing economics, I'll leave that to the studios), but there's still a huge difference between begging parents to watch a show when they may not have been using the tv anyway or had nothing better to watch and asking for a monthly subscription just to watch a show. I think I had a hard time as it was asking for magazine (remember those?) subscriptions as a kid. The tv is nothing compared to that, but then every household is different and dependent on, in the scenario you describe, whether the parent is much of a tv watcher (mine weren't really).

The same goes for video/computer games too. If kids are playing Nintendo the parents can't use the tv. Same for the computer. That the 80s and 90s were literally the console heyday seem to indicate that, even with parental control over tvs, kids had enough access to tvs to play games etc. (and most of the 1990s marketing on video games was towards kids, i.e. Sonic, Mario, etc.) Yes kids had to beg for consoles and games, but a parent was more likely to agree to a one time purchase than a monthly subscription.

That being said, Paramount has been good among the streamers in offering Trek up for one time purchases relatively soon after the streaming air date. SFA S1 is already up for example.
 
Look at The Planet of the Titans script that was to be the first Star Trek movie?
I know of no one outside of the production or Paramount who has ever seen the script. Cash Markman claims to cite from it in one of his doorstops, but he curiously doesn't summarize the plot or reproduce any dialog.

I have the first story outline, which is just titled STAR TREK.
 
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