Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x09 - "Terrarium"

[saladdays]

Cleverly foreshadowing or clumsily retconning? After an Arena rewatch I'm going to have to go with the latter.

Why not cleverly retconning or clumsily foreshadowing?

 

[Yoda]

Why not cleverly retconning or clumsily foreshadowing?

The world is your rhetorical oyster. Go with your heart.

 

[The Wormhole]

The ship had a refit. Thats what happens when a 30 year old ship gets a refit. It looks different and updated.

The point is, if the TOS look was as perfect and timeless as is claimed, then they would have just replicated it for TMP rather then creating a whole new look and explaining it as a refit. Indeed, even Gene Roddenberry tried saying in his novelization of TMP that this was Starfleet's real look and that TOS was just a dramatization of events.

 

[fireproof78]

The point is, if the TOS look was as perfect and timeless as is claimed, then they would have just replicated it for TMP rather then creating a whole new look and explaining it as a refit. Indeed, even Gene Roddenberry tried saying in his novelization of TMP that this was Starfleet's real look and that TOS was just a dramatization of events.

Indeed.

TOS was not taken seriously by Roddenberry in TMP and hit and miss going forward. The concept of timelessness was definitely not on Gene's mind.

 

[firehawk12]

Cleverly foreshadowing or clumsily retconning? After an Arena rewatch I'm going to have to go with the latter.

I would just go with 'bad'. lol

 

[BigJake]

The point is, if the TOS look was as perfect and timeless as is claimed, then they would have just replicated it for TMP rather then creating a whole new look and explaining it as a refit. Indeed, even Gene Roddenberry tried saying in his novelization of TMP that this was Starfleet's real look and that TOS was just a dramatization of events.

Realizing that TOS was just what they had the budget to do at the time, and was not close to how Gene or others would have wanted to do it, is the crucial first step in ridding oneself of obsessions with "canon" and "continuity."

 

[Nerys Myk]

Realizing that TOS was just what they had the budget to do at the time, and was not close to how Gene or others would have wanted to do it, is the crucial first step in ridding oneself of obsessions with "canon" and "continuity."

This way lies wisdom.

 

[cooleddie74]

True canon is the canon we head justified along the way.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Canon went out the airlock when ENT had Klingon first contact be on Earth of all places.

 

[cooleddie74]

Picard only ever said that Klingon first contact happened "centuries ago," never where it took place. There was no canon to be violated.

 

[fireproof78]

Canon was warped to the phantom zone when World War 3 was moved to the 21st century in TNG, and the warp scale was all cattywampus.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

8/10 they should have kissed.

 

[StarTrek1701]

8/10 they should have kissed.

Shades of AvP 2007.

 

[Mudd]

Cleverly foreshadowing or clumsily retconning? After an Arena rewatch I'm going to have to go with the latter.

Nothing clumsy about this one.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Canon went out the airlock when ENT had Klingon first contact be on Earth of all places.

Can you point to the dialogue that says it didn’t?

 

[Mudd]

Can you point to the dialogue that says it didn’t?

He cannot.

And is misusing "canon," again. If the claim had any basis in fact, it would mean something like "attention to detailed continuity went out the window when..."

 

[Michael]

“Terrarium” inspired me to create a new animated pixel art avatar …

By the way, working on this made me realize that the Gorn all have a big heart shape on their forehead. Cute.

 

[Farscape One]

Why not cleverly retconning or clumsily foreshadowing?

Because there was nothing clever about having the Metron in "Terrarium".

 

[Trekker4747]

Because there was nothing clever about having the Metron in "Terrarium"

There's nothing clever about "TOS" standing for "These Old Scientists," but here we are.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even CONTINUITY isn't violated by Klingon first contact happening on Earth. Because we didn't know where it even happened until September 26, 2001.