Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x09 - "Terrarium"

[Farscape One]

There's nothing clever about "TOS" standing for "These Old Scientists," but here we are.

I think "Those Old Scientists" was a clever joke. It works.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, it was an eyeroll at first but I've gotten used to it.

 

[Yistaan]

Realizing that TOS was just what they had the budget to do at the time, and was not close to how Gene or others would have wanted to do it, is the crucial first step in ridding oneself of obsessions with "canon" and "continuity."

Considering that Gene wanted everyone in those awful pajama uniforms in TMP when budget wasn't an issue, maybe you just have to accept that people have an emotional attachment to the 60s sets. Not unlike how you see all these retro-pixel videogames now that people buy despite it being possible to deliver far superior graphics.

Even CONTINUITY isn't violated by Klingon first contact happening on Earth. Because we didn't know where it even happened until September 26, 2001.

Picard: Centuries ago, a disastrous contact with the Klingon Empire led to decades of war. It was decided then we would do surveillance before making contact.

That's literally all Picard said. He never said WHICH Fed member had the disastrous Klingon contact and for all we know it was some other Federation member that had the disastrous contact and decades long war with the Klingons prior to joining the Federation and influencing their first contact policy.

 

[fireproof78]

maybe you just have to accept that people have an emotional attachment to the 60s sets

That's not what's being argued. I have a emotional attachment to many things, including the TOS bridge but I would still call it dated in design too. My warm fuzzies around computer looks and interfaces include Windows 95 and Lego brick design computers. Etsy has a nice mouse pad of one that I'm considering.

But it's hardly perfect.

 

[Noname Given]

“Terrarium” inspired me to create a new animated pixel art avatar …

By the way, working on this made me realize that the Gorn all have a big heart shape on their forehead. Cute.

With the Caption: "Eat At Gorn's (We serve latin cuisine)"

 

[BigJake]

Considering that Gene wanted everyone in those awful pajama uniforms in TMP when budget wasn't an issue, maybe you just have to accept that people have an emotional attachment to the 60s sets.

Oh, I'm one of those people, I love the sixties sets. There's a lot of things about TOS that I enjoy, like the Dramatic Eye Lighting that's so prevalent in "The Doomsday Machine." I've just moved on from saying or thinking that deviation from that look "breaks continuity" or is somehow Wrong.

 

[eschaton]

My ideal would've been the "Discoprise" being retrofuturistic in design. Not the same as TOS, but a higher-budget elaboration on the TOS models. Basically the Federation just went through an era where the candy buttons and the like were considered to be fashionable, only to fall out of favor for sleeker designs later.

But I can live with what they did just fine.

 

[Yistaan]

Basically the Federation just went through an era where the candy buttons and the like were considered to be fashionable, only to fall out of favor for sleeker designs later.

I blame Pelia. She's shown to be a hippie obsessed with the 1960s (out of all the time periods in her over 5,000 years of life) who even waxes poetic about illicit LSD use. And she's the oldest engineer in Starfleet who taught practically everyone at the Academy. Sometime after SNW she probably ordered a fleetwide retrofit to conform to her 1960s obsessions.

 

[cooleddie74]

I mean, Hell, Starfleet uniforms went through the "depressed discothèque DJ going through a divorce" phase from about 2271 to 2277 and then things changed yet again after that. For the better. So yeah.

 

[Ovation]

things changed yet again after that. For the better.

Did they? Did they really?

 

[cooleddie74]

Yes.

Yes. They did.

 

[Tuskin38]

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

Here's a comparison of the Gorn bodysuit, worn by the actors/stuntmen playing the Gorn in #StarTrekSNW's "Terrarium" and #StarTrekTOS' "Arena". I like how the hands, legs, knees and feet are very similar to the original (the Gorn on #StarTrekENT was three-fingered, for example).

bsky.app

 

[DaveyNY]

Because there was nothing clever about having the Metron in "Terrarium".

You do understand what a Terrarium is right?

And that it is a preserving construct created by 'someone' to cultivate 'something' to make it better.

So it actually is quite "clever" for the writers to include a superior race that we've seen before, and that they are apparently attempting to discover whether or not the human race is worth 'cultivating'.

Even the Q in their own clumsy way, were doing pretty much the same thing.

 

[Ovation]

Yes.

Yes. They did.

You appear to have misspelt no.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Cleverly foreshadowing or clumsily retconning? After an Arena rewatch I'm going to have to go with the latter.

Yeah. It was a bad retcon. These guys are just trying to outdo TOS by taking its stories now and thinking they are impriloving them. They arent.

The point is, if the TOS look was as perfect and timeless as is claimed, then they would have just replicated it for TMP rather then creating a whole new look and explaining it as a refit. Indeed, even Gene Roddenberry tried saying in his novelization of TMP that this was Starfleet's real look and that TOS was just a dramatization of events.

Star Trek Enterprise recreated a TOS Connie bridge. A few tweaks and it looked fantastic.

 

[HotRod]

Star Trek Enterprise recreated a TOS Connie bridge. A few tweaks and it looked fantastic.

Yeah, for a couple of episodes that were designed to beat you over the head with nostalgia.

What works for a couple "special episodes" and what works for a regular series, are two very different things.

 

[cooleddie74]

He cannot.

And is misusing "canon," again. If the claim had any basis in fact, it would mean something like "attention to detailed continuity went out the window when..."

Hell, you co-wrote the TNG episode in which the Picard reference to Klingon first contact appears so you're as big an authority on that line of dialogue as anyone here. No specific date or location was assigned, only that it was disastrous.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hell, you co-wrote the TNG episode in which the Picard reference to Klingon first contact appears so you're as big an authority on that line of dialogue as anyone here. No specific date or location was assigned, only that it was disastrous.

Like getting shot by a human in a cornfield disastrous?

 

[cooleddie74]

Sounds disastrous to me. Getting shot in a cornfield is some dank, ghetto stuff, yo. Nobody's gonna TikTok that with a smiling emoji.

Well....I wouldn't.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Sounds disastrous to me. Getting shot in a cornfield is some dank, ghetto stuff, yo. Nobody's gonna TikTok that with a smiling emoji.

Well....I wouldn't.

Nothing good happens in cornfields. It's where they keep the dead baseball players.