Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x09 - "Terrarium"

[Starflight]

While they are meant to be the "Monster of the Week" at this point, we've seen plenty of the other Alien Races in Trek develop into full fledged societies over the multiple seasons of the shows.

Even beyond their questionable cognitive abilities in their SNW incarnation, I'm wondering if a society of lizards (who, again, may have little to no sexual dimorphism, or conversely have more than two sexes) would:
- be able to conceive of homosexuality at all, given that they appear to reproduce by laying eggs in human hosts and thus possibly don't have conceptions of homosexuality or heterosexuality
- having recognised homosexuality, then develop ideological frameworks that demonise it
- set up religious or cultural institutions to suppress homosexuality
- having done this, undergo a number of cultural changes that eventually lead to Gorn citizens protesting against said institutions
- have Gorn artists within this movement who create gay pride flags which are staggeringly reminiscent of those created on late-20th-century Earth
- regard these symbols as akin to real-world pride flags while simultaneously eating the organs of captives aboard breeding ships

I know Star Trek aliens end up being culturally Earth-like a lot of the time but this'd be not only an incredible stretch but also undermine the Gorns' inherent alien-ness to an extraordinary degree.

 

[Bgt]

Spock: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Kirk: Or the one.

(they both glare at Uhura)

Uhura:

and Uhura starts whispering.... "Batel"... "M'Benga's daughter"...

 

[fireproof78]

Spock: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

Kirk: Or the one.

(they both glare at Uhura)

Uhura:

and Uhura starts whispering.... "Batel"... "M'Benga's daughter"...

Captain Pike.

Risk an entire crew compliment to go to a forbidden planet for one dude?

 

[Yistaan]

and Uhura starts whispering.... "Batel"... "M'Benga's daughter"...

Captain Pike.

Risk an entire crew compliment to go to a forbidden planet for one dude?

Kirk: Who're we talking about again? Ortegas? Haven't seen her around in a while. She couldn't even be bothered to show up after you were mindwiped by Nomad.

Uhura:

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

In a different timeline, the lizard lady survives, runs of with the human lady and a new spin-off is born

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[JohnCrichton1999]

In a different timeline, the lizard lady survives, runs of with the human lady and a new spin-off is born

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They both got my heart...maybe literally, mostly figuratively. Also Strax has my heart too...and crushed it for the glory of the Sontaran Empire!!!

 

[JohnCrichton1999]

I gave this episode a good 9. I really like these survival with your enemy on a deadly planet stories, and they executed this one well. The twist at the end seemed unnecessary though. Those people are some Grade A Jabronis. I wouldn't WANT to remember them let alone get to know them!

 

[Starkers]

In a different timeline, the lizard lady survives, runs of with the human lady and a new spin-off is born

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[Fateor]

While this would have worked with the original interpretation of the Gorn, the Strange New World version runs into the problem that Humans have a problem with Gorn not because they're scary looking, but because they run around invading Human worlds, butchering Human populations, and infecting Humans Xenomorph style.

 

[Tuskin38]

but because they run around invading Human worlds, butchering Human populations,

Which they also did in TOS.

 

[fireproof78]

Which they also did in TOS.

There is nothing good about the Gorn in TOS. Thru deliberately attack and manipulate and thr heroes go, "it must be our fault "

Bullshit.

 

[Tuskin38]

There is nothing good about the Gorn in TOS. Thru deliberately attack and manipulate and thr heroes go, "it must be our fault "

Bullshit.

Agreed, sometimes I feel like I've watched a completely different version of Arena:

They attacked the colony, bombarding it from orbit with no attempt at communications until after the Metrons disable their ship.

They pretend to be a Starfleet Commodore to lure the Enterprise to the system then immediately try to kill them because they're the only ship in the sector that could protect the planet.

The one Kirk fights never hesitates, all they want to do is kill Kirk.

After Kirk knocks down the Gorn Captain he refuses to kill him, but the Gorn never hesitated at all during their little duel. The Metron even says the Gorn would have destroyed them.

There's no evidence the Gorn want anything other than to kill everyone to protect their world from what they perceive as a hostile invasion by the Federation.

Really, SNW showing a kind(?) Gorn contradicts TOS lmao. (this is a joke)

 

[F. King Daniel]

I have seen this episode before. Several times. It was okay, but it's a retelling of a retelling.

 

[Ogrebear]

This weeks episode reminded me a lot of Enemy Mine.

Enjoyed it though. Certainly better than last weeks.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Really, SNW showing a kind(?) Gorn contradicts TOS lmao

Perhaps. Or the reality of being stranded maybe affected the Gorn's mentality. Or maybe, like several species, female Gorn aren't so militant

 

[Trekker4747]

Humans have been writing stories for 1000s of years, everything is a retelling of a retelling.

 

[Tuskin38]

Perhaps. Or the reality of being stranded maybe affected the Gorn's mentality. Or maybe, like several species, female Gorn aren't so militant

True, I was just poking fun.

SNW's Gorn are now more multifaceted than they were in TOS.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

True, I was just poking fun.

SNW's Gorn are now more multifaceted than they were in TOS.

As much as it would be add to present an entirely caring version of the Gorn, they shouldn't be put into the typical monoculture that weigh down so many Trek species. One Gorn, who never says how she got stranded, may not be a soldier or part of a military.

 

[Moopsy]

Yeah, in TOS S1 A Taste of Armageddon the Organians stopped an entire Intergalactic war between the Klingons and the Federation.

That's "Errand of Mercy"; "Armageddon" is about the Eminian-Vendikan war conducted via computer that Kirk stops.

 

[Tuskin38]

One Gorn, who never says how she got stranded, may not be a soldier or part of a military.

She had a combat pilot helmet.

The Gorn in Arena also learned English/Basic, though he could speak it unlike the the Female one here.