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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x09 - "Terrarium"

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In retrospect, it feels like they really shouldn't have used the Gorn at all.

It could have been the Tholians or Shelliak or some other race that no one cares about and there'd be much less complications with fan service and canon.

It's weird, Lower Decks basically fleshed out the Pakleds and I'm not bothered by it. Technically SNW is doing the same with the Gorn, but somehow trying to shoehorn it into TOS just makes it really bad for some reason.
 
So they have what 4 hours timeframe to deliver the vaccine? but Ortegas has enough time to interact with an alien being and develop a communication ability, modify equipment to make a translator, and teach the gorn how to play a good game of chess? I guess time passes way more slowly on that other side of the wormhole event horizon.
 
Putting aside the "Ortegas is gay because she has short hair and wears vests" implication, I'm even more intrigued by the suggestion that the presence of a "giant lizard woman" is a factor that infuses the episode with homoeroticism.

Sapphic women like to fuck lizard people, how is this difficult to understand?

What do you think the G in LGBT stands for

See? Detached Nacelle gets it!

That’s really reaching. This is a story plot other movies have done before with male characters, like Hell in the Pacific, and it didn’t have queer subtext then. Just because there’s two same-sex protagonists in the story doesn’t automatically translate to subtext.

Especially not this season when it’s dialed back a lot of the queer representation it had in the first couple seasons.

I haven't seen Hell in the Pacific, but I could probably discern queerness from it lol.

I do think it's fascinating that one bisexual woman suggests, "Oh, it's a Sapphic story!" and a bunch of men (?) need to come out and tell her she's wrong, though lol

Ortegas is butch, but that doesn't say much about her sexuality. We actually know nothing about her sexuality or gender identity, other than some stuff from The Elysian Kingdom which is almost certainly unimportant (since La'an was also a prissy princess there).

I'd prefer if they play against type by making Erica a butch straight woman. Though the show has had a real dearth of queerness, other than Chapel causally dropping being bi in the first season, which was never addressed again.

Cishet women don't need represensation, and quite frankly, queer people do have ways of communicating their queerness to other queer people without literally saying the words, "I am some flavor of queer, how do you do, my fellow flavor of the rainbow?"

Dear lord. There are no lines. You cut down the tree, printed the paper and drew on the lines.

Also queer-presenting is right up there with all the stereotypes that LGBT community has to live with constantly. You're not a real man if you're gay. You wear overalls and have short hair if you're a lesbian. et al.

And even if she were... there's no evidence of it being evidenced here in this story. It was a story of survival.

SNW has shown it's not a writing that it deft at subtlety or subtext either. They'd probably have the Gorn in a rainbow shuttle going "Hey gurrrl" if that was the intention.

You're preaching to the choir. I'm literally a bisexual woman. I say the episode and my first thought was, "Oh, so they're starcrossed lovers on opposite sides of a war." Like, part of what makes the ending such a let down is that we aren't going to see more of this Gorn character explored in general. This was a perfect opportunity to hit multiple birds with a single stone and instead we get the most boring ending imaginable.

I feel like Gorn Pride would be less about same-sex attraction and more about gutting human captives alive.

This, too, is appealing the queer women.
 
In retrospect, it feels like they really shouldn't have used the Gorn at all.

It could have been the Tholians or Shelliak or some other race that no one cares about and there'd be much less complications with fan service and canon.

It's weird, Lower Decks basically fleshed out the Pakleds and I'm not bothered by it. Technically SNW is doing the same with the Gorn, but somehow trying to shoehorn it into TOS just makes it really bad for some reason.
The Gorn are a nonstarter monster of the week from TOS.

A new alien would have saved a lot of headaches and added drama.
 
Kirk: Yo Mr. Gorn who's apparently a Gorn since you look like no Gorn I ever saw before, why don't we stop fighting and talk this out?

Gorn: You Federation types killed my girlfriend after she fell into a wormhole 6 years ago! I thought you humans had evolved since your police brutality days of the 21st century!

Kirk: Oh I remember hearing about that. Yeah that was augment La'an, she's not representative of all humans. She's a stalkerish creep who tried to bed me while my girlfriend was pregnant can you believe? And that's not even getting into that time she tried to take over the Enterprise and beat me up when I tried to stop her. Then after having her way with my best friend Spock she--

(The Gorn and Kirk stop fighting and share La'an horror stories much to the bemusement of the Metrons)
 
I agree. It feels like they wanted to make a reference to TOS but then they got trapped into it after that.
That is often the trap. I often see the comment "You'd think they'd learn from past Trek."

No, I really wouldn't. These writers are around my age or older so there is some measure of cultural iconography that stands out with what makes Trek TREK. One image, no matter the thoughts around it, is Kirk fighting the Gorn Captain. Sisko references it. A Hallmark ornament was made of it. Let's not kid ourselves and think the writers are not looking at something that stands out and want to expand upon it.

It's like Lucas, the Prequels and the Senate. The Senate gets two or three references in one film and then the prequels feature scenes in the Senate every single movie.
 
That is often the trap. I often see the comment "You'd think they'd learn from past Trek."

No, I really wouldn't. These writers are around my age or older so there is some measure of cultural iconography that stands out with what makes Trek TREK. One image, no matter the thoughts around it, is Kirk fighting the Gorn Captain. Sisko references it. A Hallmark ornament was made of it. Let's not kid ourselves and think the writers are not looking at something that stands out and want to expand upon it.

It's like Lucas, the Prequels and the Senate. The Senate gets two or three references in one film and then the prequels feature scenes in the Senate every single movie.
Yeah, it's one of the biggest things from TOS that everyone knows so I get it... but they could have just made it a throwaway reference like the Enterprise Borg episode (which I also think is stupid, but that's another discussion). Now they literally reference the episode with the exact same scenario which is insane to me. They might as well have remade that episode.
 
It does seem like more time passed on the moon than with the Enterprise, how else does Ortegas teach the Gorn Chess, the Gorn teaches Ortegas her game, they play multiple rounds, enough for the new player to learn to win. Shouldn't stuff like take days or weeks (if not months?) It felt more like the Voyager episode with Paris and Tuvok. But, what, the Enterprise was on a time crunch of hours or a day or two?

Doesnt really seem to make sense, probably enough to drop it a grade.

When the episode started I was thinking more of a "The Martian" feel with Ortegas having to survive on her skill into rescue, but liked the slant more towards Enemy Mine (which I need to see now)/The Enemy/Dune.

Just thinking over the episode without watching it again, but more thinking about it.

And, you know what? Screw it, I likedthe Metron showing up!

(Watching the Jessie Gender review now.)
 
Personally, I thought it was one of this season's best. I didn't mind the Meltron reveal at the end and found it actually kind of fitting. I'm not sure how Ortegas is going to be around La'an now. I get why she killed the Gorn, not knowing what had happened, but it made me really sad when it happened.
 
I don't believe that this was meant to be an obvious 'Gay' episode, but there may have been a slightly subtle intention with what could possibly be interpreted as a Gorn Pride Flag in the background of the Gorn's habitat ...

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It kinda stood out in a more than dreary looking episode.
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I gave this one an 8.

A Gorn LGBTQ+ Pride flag? .... Sure... ?l!?


The ending was a real gut punch. I get L'aan's actions, her almost instinctive reaction, but still, that hurt.

You'd think the phaser would have been on stun, not kill.
 
Yeah the ending with La'an dented the episode for me, even more than the Metron. There's just no way in hell a group of Starfleet officers wouldn't have their phasers set to stun as standard procedure, especially on a rescue mission to an unknown world.

And on top of that, the way it was directed, La'an just saw a vague shape looming over Ortegas and fired. She didn't even know it was a Gorn, given that the wormhole's exit location was, according to Spock, potentially literally anywhere in existence. So it's not even a case of "La'an shoots Gorn on sight", which would be bad enough, but instead "La'an is a nutcase who just vaporises anything that moves suddenly."
 
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