Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x01 - "Hegemony, Part II"

[fireproof78]

Boxing might be a way to cope with the injury. To prove it's not a big deal. ( even though it is). Some people respond to trauma by denying it.

That's extremely common in managing trauma. Plus not wanting people to be constantly asking after it.

 

[Ssosmcin]

And I was replying that they don't need much in an explanation; there's one built in.

Well it had better be one hell of a trauma to make this strong character want to return to the same ship with this man she's in love with, doesn't hide it, gets picked on by her boss about it and except for a single time when he's suffering through Pon Farr and gives her some kindness, doesn't get a thing in return those feelings. Oh except that one time he puts his consciousness in her body to help Sargon. That's her reward.

Sure, trauma can change people but that extent of a change....eh. It's not that built in.

Boxing might be a way to cope with the injury. To prove it's not a big deal. ( even though it is). Some people respond to trauma by denying it.

It may, but a mention would have been appreciated. If it's brought up next week or coming up, fine.

 

[fireproof78]

Sure, trauma can change people but that extent of a change....eh. It's not that built in.

Strongly disagree.

 

[Farscape One]

Can SNW really be said to be "prematurely cancelled" when they're giving a two year advance notice that it's ending? And Picard ended after three seasons of its own accord, it wasn't cancelled.

Also, we live in an era where five seasons is considered a full run with many shows voluntarily pulling the plug after five seasons. Granted, that wasn't the case with Disco or Lower Decks, both of which had hopes for a sixth season, but the modern Trek shows still shouldn't be considered failures just because they ended after five seasons.

Plus, as much as I hate this, we'll never see a STAR TREK series hit 100 episodes again, not with seasons having 10 episodes each in the current landscape.

Hitting 100 episodes used to be a benchmark of not only being able to hit that, but for a show to be able to be sold into syndication. (Even 80 episodes worked for some shows.) Syndication just isn't a thing anymore, so studios aren't so focused on hitting that number anymore.

 

[Tuskin38]

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

Blink and you'll miss it (pardon the pun!) but the Gorn are shown to have an outer horizontal eyelid ↖️↗️ and an inner, vertical, separately opening and closing eyelid ⬅️➡️↙️↘️ in #StarTrekSNW's "Hegemony II"...and that eyelid is sparkling silver, like the Gorn eyes in "Arena"!!! 😊🧵 1/3

bsky.app

 

[Nerys Myk]

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

Blink and you'll miss it (pardon the pun!) but the Gorn are shown to have an outer horizontal eyelid ↖️↗️ and an inner, vertical, separately opening and closing eyelid ⬅️➡️↙️↘️ in #StarTrekSNW's "Hegemony II"...and that eyelid is sparkling silver, like the Gorn eyes in "Arena"!!! 😊🧵 1/3

bsky.app

I think they showed this in the Gorn BTS piece on the Ready Room.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Cope and seethe.

I think you've got the seething part down pat.

 

[FederationHistorian]

Wow. They really Best of Both Worlds’d that ending. It works, but I feel like DIS would have come up with something more creative than a rehash if put in the same situation.

I do not understand the bellyaching over the Gorn. After complaints about ENT’s Gorn, and knowing that the TOS Gorn is a bit dated. And short of updating the TOS Gorn with animatronics (think Shran’s movable antennae), that appearance is not coming back in live action.

The writers have an out though, if its that much of a concern. Just reveal them to be the Tzenkethi, and have been mislabelled the Gorn by Starfleet. After all, very little about the Tzenkethi is know, including first contact. And as that species in beta canon is as diverse as the Xindi, there is no real issue with how they look. They even can, and probably should, have the Orions reveal their mistake, since they canonically would know what a Gorn looks like.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I do not understand the bellyaching over the Gorn. After complaints about ENT’s Gorn, and knowing that the TOS Gorn is a bit dated. And short of updating the TOS Gorn with animatronics (think Shran’s movable antennae), that appearance is not coming back in live action.

If Trek has shown that the Xindi can have 6× very different species come from the same home planet?

Why can't there be different Reptilian Sub-Species coming from the same Home World?

Each one looks significantly different, but all are part of the same "Gorn Hegemony".

One looks like TOS Gorn, the other ENT Gorn, the other SNW Gorn.

Just like Klingons can have many physical variations, Gorn can have the same as well.

Let's not forget that the Andorians have their Sub-Species cousins in the Aenar.

Vulcans have the Off-Shoot Species in "The Romulans".

 

[Bgt]

I enjoyed it! I gave it a 6 cause the writing was way too lazy, but I am glad we have this crew back.
I missed them.

 

[cooleddie74]

For all my quibbles with the Gorn design for SNW I do like their ships a lot. It was really cool seeing so many in this episode.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

The trouble I have with the Gorn ships is that they're basically all windows. In the cockpit scenes the heroes were basically surrounded by windows. And I believe it was an important plot point that they didn't have windows.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

For all my quibbles with the Gorn design for SNW I do like their ships a lot. It was really cool seeing so many in this episode.

They have one of the rare Asymmetric StarShips in Star Trek.

The last time we saw that design style was with the Breen in DS9.

The trouble I have with the Gorn ships is that they're basically all windows. In the cockpit scenes the heroes were basically surrounded by windows. And I believe it was an important plot point that they didn't have windows.

I thought those were Camera's / Sensors?

 

[cooleddie74]

They have one of the rare Asymmetric StarShips in Star Trek.

The last time we saw that design style was with the Breen in DS9.


I thought those were Camera's / Sensors?

The Xindi-Insectoids in ENT had ships that looked almost as pointy, jagged and asymmetrical and the Gorn vessels in SNW sort of remind me of them.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The Xindi-Insectoids in ENT had ships that looked almost as pointy, jagged and asymmetrical and the Gorn vessels in SNW sort of remind me of them.

There is some similarities.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Eh she's shown as an assistant in TOS, someone who can pull up the research and hand over some "sonic separators" or something.

Which are perfectly normal things for nurses to be doing to this day, particularly the latter in surgical situations.

She's not even a PA level. SNW portrays her at practically physician level in everything but license.

PA level didn't exist back then, so that makes sense.

. She's outwardly smarter and more dynamic. She is absolutely a 100% better character in SNW.

In some ways, though it's more a cause of them showing the potential that the original version wasn't able to so until TMP, when she reappears as a physician.

So much that they don't match, and my snarky "needs an explanation" is more of a jokey commentary that they just ignored her TOS personality.

The timeline and fine detail is tweaked, but IMO there's less of a glaring difference between how she was depicted overall than many people realise because she can be depicted that way now.

YMMV, but there's a much bigger difference between the Pike from The Cage and DSC/SNW version of the character.

 

[Tuskin38]

How does a Black Hole eject a CME?

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

I was hoping for some new planetary (system) graphics in season 3 of #StarTrekSNW and I was definitely not disappointed! Look at the planetary graphics we got of the Finibus, Galdonterre and Kessik star systems in "Hegemony II"! :-)

bsky.app

 

[StarTrek1701]

The lower episode counts are just down to the way modern big-budget television is made. Studios prefer 10 - 13 episode seasons, which is stupid as hell but it's the way things are done now. To match the 170~ episodes of the 90s shows, you'd need to run for 17 seasons (and as many years).

That's what I am saying. Big budgets aren't needed to provide quality entertainment.
On but off topic: Colbert's show was just cancelled because CBS/Paramount was spending 100M every year on it!
Say what?? 100 million for average viewer age of 68. Completely off the mark.
Two or three guys or girls could set up a podcast show for 1/100th of the price.

Is it true that the shows aren't bringing in viewers, though?

In the classical sense shows nowadays have less than half the viewers.
But just like the Late Show with Colbert they are spending way fucking too much without it being a good ROI.

I'm fascinated by this topic because I've heard conflicting information - one minute Paramount Plus and CBS All Access or w/e it was called are going bust and jizzing money away at an astronomical rate, and then a report comes out saying SNW is topping streaming charts and singlehandedly turning P+'s fortunes around.

"Topping streaming charts" is just an empty buzzword.
It's like being the fastest Honda Civic in an F1 race.

Get off that high horse. You don’t speak for everyone

And you don't speak for me.

That's...not how this works.

Please explain how it works. Go ahead.
I'd love to know how it actually works cuz apparently I don't know anything.

Streaming is also a struggling platform so comparing to the past is highly inaccurate.

Which it doesn't have to be.
They could easily hire good tv actors for way cheaper than movie stars whose popularity fizzled out decades ago.
They could hire good writers that know the subject rather than hire nepo writers that hate the IP they are working on.
They could hire good directors that can stretch the dollar than just throw ludicrous sums of money to hire famous names.
We used to have great TV shows with enough episodes that would take a month to finish if we were watching 8 hours a day.
We could still have that if the creatives weren't pissing money away to chase that golden goose.

Not exactly familiar with how TV works in the 2020's, I take it?

It could work very easily. They just don't have the will to do so.

 

[StarTrek1701]

How does a Black Hole eject a CME?

Jörg Hillebrand (@gaghyogi49.bsky.social)

I was hoping for some new planetary (system) graphics in season 3 of #StarTrekSNW and I was definitely not disappointed! Look at the planetary graphics we got of the Finibus, Galdonterre and Kessik star systems in "Hegemony II"! :-)

bsky.app

Hol up! I thought the Gorn were from the Alpha uadrant, that's what the official starcharts say.
But they are now in the Beta quadrant?

 

[Tuskin38]

They could easily hire good tv actors for way cheaper than movie stars whose popularity fizzled out decades ago.
They could hire good writers that know the subject rather than hire nepo writers that hate the IP they are working on.
They could hire good directors that can stretch the dollar than just throw ludicrous sums of money to hire famous names.

SNW has all of those.

And you don't speak for me.

Where was I speaking for you?