Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 3x01 - "Hegemony, Part II"

[Firebird]

One of the few good outcomes. Nobody needed this as a weekly series.

I wonder if the original version of the story as intended for a full season by Bo Yeon Kim and Erika Lippoldt was somewhat more coherent, but that's a question we'll probably never get answered. Just like whatever the pre-pandemic version of Picard season 2 really was.

 

[1001001]

That was crazy.

8

+ 1 for every time Pelia spoke.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Who are all these long time fans?

A whole lot of people beyond this website.

Sweeping generalizations like this are insulting to all the other longtime fans like me who've been watching since it aired in 1966.

You have your generalized opinions, I have mine.

You can be insulted all you want but you do not represent the whole.

Yeah I do.

The echo chamber where you kvetch about this with other like-minded individuals is not as big or representative as you need to believe it is.

Cope and seethe.
The creatives suck and they don't know what the fuck they are doing.
And as a result of that Paramount knows these shows aren't bringing in any new viewers.
That's why every NuTrek show has been prematurely canceled with lower episode counts than any classic Trek.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

That's why every NuTrek show has been prematurely canceled with lower episode counts than any classic Trek.

Can SNW really be said to be "prematurely cancelled" when they're giving a two year advance notice that it's ending? And Picard ended after three seasons of its own accord, it wasn't cancelled.

Also, we live in an era where five seasons is considered a full run with many shows voluntarily pulling the plug after five seasons. Granted, that wasn't the case with Disco or Lower Decks, both of which had hopes for a sixth season, but the modern Trek shows still shouldn't be considered failures just because they ended after five seasons.

 

[Scanlan]

Solid episode, decent conclusion to the Gorn stuff, a bit too heavy on the action for my tastes but that's to be expected for the season opener. The parts about Scotty being best under pressure where cute, but also felt like very clunky forshadowing.

 

[1001001]

Cope and seethe.

Let's not go back to that.

 

[Starflight]

And as a result of that Paramount knows these shows aren't bringing in any new viewers.
That's why every NuTrek show has been prematurely canceled with lower episode counts than any classic Trek.

The lower episode counts are just down to the way modern big-budget television is made. Studios prefer 10 - 13 episode seasons, which is stupid as hell but it's the way things are done now. To match the 170~ episodes of the 90s shows, you'd need to run for 17 seasons (and as many years).

Is it true that the shows aren't bringing in viewers, though? I'm fascinated by this topic because I've heard conflicting information - one minute Paramount Plus and CBS All Access or w/e it was called are going bust and jizzing money away at an astronomical rate, and then a report comes out saying SNW is topping streaming charts and singlehandedly turning P+'s fortunes around.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah I do.

Get off that high horse. You don’t speak for everyone

 

[fireproof78]

That's why every NuTrek show has been prematurely canceled with lower episode counts than any classic Trek.

That's...not how this works.

Also, we live in an era where five seasons is considered a full run with many shows voluntarily pulling the plug after five seasons. Granted, that wasn't the case with Disco or Lower Decks, both of which had hopes for a sixth season, but the modern Trek shows still shouldn't be considered failures just because they ended after five seasons.

Streaming is also a struggling platform so comparing to the past is highly inaccurate.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I really have no further interest in the 24th, 25th, or 32nd century.

Dead zones for Star Trek.

I'm a TOS fan and I'd love more episodes set in the TOS era.

Not necessarily remakes of existing episodes, but certainly new adventures.

A miniseries set in the TOS era would be okay; TOS gave viewers glimpses of episodes focused on other Starfleet captains and/or crews (rather, what happened to them), which were always interesting, so that door had already opened for exploration over a half century ago.

As misguided as NuTrek has been more often than not, even this group of "creators" would not attempt to remake TOS. Talk about a complete disaster.

 

[King Bob!]

That's why every NuTrek show has been prematurely canceled with lower episode counts than any classic Trek.

Not exactly familiar with how TV works in the 2020's, I take it?

 

[No Grave Dug]

...As misguided as NuTrek has been more often than not, even this group of "creators" would not attempt to remake TOS. Talk about a complete disaster.

In a way they already have with Strange New Worlds and it's been anything but a disaster.

 

[fireproof78]

In a way they already have with Strange New Worlds and it's been anything but a disaster.

But it's not perfect so it must be a disaster! It also only got 5 seasons. Must be a failure.

 

[Mr. Spook]

I guess you missed the scene where Ortegas looks into her reflection in a window of the Enterprise, sees a Gorn behind her in the reflection, and freaks out and takes a short time to re-compose herself.

Her pyschological trauma from the injury and how it will affect her character going is just beginning I would say.

I didn't miss it but the whole hand aspect was dropped as quickly as it was brought up. Which, IMO, was a missed opportunity.

The explanation would be that she is a nurse, and has been the beginning of SNW.

Any nurse, regards of how skilled a medical professional she is (and SNW has done a better job showing her skills than TOS did) is always going to the assistant to a experienced physician/surgeon, particularly during surgical procedures.

Eh she's shown as an assistant in TOS, someone who can pull up the research and hand over some "sonic separators" or something. She's not even a PA level. SNW portrays her at practically physician level in everything but license. She's outwardly smarter and more dynamic. She is absolutely a 100% better character in SNW. So much that they don't match, and my snarky "needs an explanation" is more of a jokey commentary that they just ignored her TOS personality. I seriously doubt they'll hit her with a "lobotomy ray" to transform her into, as Majel herself called her, a "drip."

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

I didn't miss it but the whole hand aspect was dropped as quickly as it was brought up. Which, IMO, was a missed opportunity.

The show is serialized character arcs within an episodic format. So, I've a feeling it will come up again.

 

[fireproof78]

I didn't miss it but the whole hand aspect was dropped as quickly as it was brought up. Which, IMO, was a missed opportunity.


Eh she's shown as an assistant in TOS, someone who can pull up the research and hand over some "sonic separators" or something. She's not even a PA level. SNW portrays her at practically physician level in everything but license. She's outwardly smarter and more dynamic. She is absolutely a 100% better character in SNW. So much that they don't match, and my snarky "needs an explanation" is more of a jokey commentary that they just ignored her TOS personality. I seriously doubt they'll hit her with a "lobotomy ray" to transform her into, as Majel herself called her, a "drip."

No. Just a trauma. Trauma alters the brain.

No lobotomy ray needed.

 

[Mr. Spook]

The show is serialized character arcs within an episodic format. So, I've a feeling it will come up again.

And I hope you're right, but the next episode had Ortegas boxing with that very same hand with no mention of the injury. And the severity of someone defined as being a pilot having roughly half of her hand digested away should (again in my opinion) been a real trauma point. Not episodes from now, but at the time or the next episode.

I mean, I was horrified for her when we saw it and immediately considered the ramifications. However, yes, it could come up.

 

[Mr. Spook]

No. Just a trauma. Trauma alters the brain.

No lobotomy ray needed.

I was pretty much being unserious.

 

[fireproof78]

I was pretty much being unserious.

And I was replying that they don't need much in an explanation; there's one built in.

 

[Zombie Cheerleader]

And I hope you're right, but the next episode had Ortegas boxing with that very same hand with no mention of the injury. And the severity of someone defined as being a pilot having roughly half of her hand digested away should (again in my opinion) been a real trauma point. Not episodes from now, but at the time or the next episode.

I mean, I was horrified for her when we saw it and immediately considered the ramifications. However, yes, it could come up.

Boxing might be a way to cope with the injury. To prove it's not a big deal. ( even though it is). Some people respond to trauma by denying it.