Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x10 - "Hegemony"

[Tallguy]

First off: Arrrrgh!

The issues with the Gorn vanish if you can accept multiple species that include a variation that Kirk wasn't familiar with. Easy peasy.

The guy in the "Arena" looks like he stole his costume from Spirit Halloween on 11:59 on Oct. 31st.

I'm simply never going to take the "HOW DARE THEY VIOLATE THAT CANON" seriously when you would prefer Spirit Halloween Gorn to a serious alien threat.

OK. Let's go over this again. The "canon" issue is not that Kirk did not recognize this species of Gorn. Or even that the Gorn look different and are supposed to be the same species. The issue is that the very name Gorn meant nothing to Kirk. When we now know that as a Starfleet captain that should be setting off a lot of alarms for him. He's remarkably chill in an episode where otherwise Kirk has very damaged calm.

And every time they bring the Gorn back and make them a bigger and bigger threat that's getting dumber and dumber.

It's OK. The writers have told us that story beats canon. What that means is "Yes, we know that the Gorn on our show make no sense in the context of Arena."

Just remember: It's not an alternate timeline. It's just a different TV show.

Can we talk about how the Space Amish want to live in the current American midwest? I need someone to explain the appeal. lol

It's nice. There's pie.

 

[wayoung]

Yeah, Trek colonies are much too small. A few generations and you'll be mating with your first cousin

Maybe that's the point?

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[cooleddie74]

Hell, there was an early 22nd century Earth colony that not only intermarried but one half of the colony splintered off to spawn future generations through cloning. Which in today's Trek would be pointed out as illegal under both Earth and Federation law but when that episode was produced in 1988 the whole cloning and genetic engineering thing was more of a social taboo and potential danger than outright illicit.

 

[Supervisor 194]

The exact dialogue refers to the "creature the Metron called a Gorn." This could be interpreted as Kirk has never heard of a Gorn or Kirk doesn't recognize this as any Gorn he is familiar with. Either way works, and I choose the way that fits with TOS because it is more fun for me that way.

 

[fireproof78]

The exact dialogue refers to the "creature the Metron called a Gorn." This could be interpreted as Kirk has never heard of a Gorn or Kirk doesn't recognize this as any Gorn he is familiar with. Either way works, and I choose the way that fits with TOS because it is more fun for me that way.

Damn straight!

 

[UssGlenn]

Nostalgia is a helluva drug. At least they aren’t the hardcore types who reject modern medicine and technology.

Nostalgia has very little to do with, small town living is a perfectly legitimate lifestyle, not everyone likes the city.

It's just weird to be so oddly specific... about a time where, in Pike's eyes, is around the same time as the start of the American Civil War and WW3

Its not that specific, that town could exist anytime past the 18th century

Does this planet only have one town? Ok, if its 5k people I can see that, but really no farms, no exploratory outposts?

I see no evidence there are not surrounding farms

 

[fireproof78]

Nostalgia has very little to do with, small town living is a perfectly legitimate lifestyle, not everyone likes the city.

Indeed.

Says the person living on 5 acres of his own, 5 miles from the nearest city, 15 miles from the nearest big city.

 

[UssGlenn]

a colony of 5000 souls isn't self-sustaining. It's not even really a big enough gene pool to provide for a healthy future population

Its commonly reported that only 500 people are required for genetic diversity without needing to track inbreeding. Others say the math isn't right and it's actually 5000, but either way the colony is good.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

The morons who fill up the Trekmovie talk backs are hitting new lows on this episode.

It's very funny to see how mad they are at Pike being "indecisive" this episode when he almost immediately orders his ship to go help the Cayuga, ignores April, and seems perfectly capable of being decisive in a dangerous situation on the ground. Even at the end it's perfectly understandable that he's reticent to abandon all the people he just worked so hard to save plus half his senior staff, and is trying to think of a way to pull a rabbit out of his hat. Almost certainly in the next time on he'll snap out of it and start giving orders.

 

[Racefuel]

TrekMovie is home to some really really bitter, very resentful and hard to please people. Not surprised they're up in arms.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

My avatar pretty much fits my grumpy old man personality, too,

And here I just thought you were a proud card carrying member of the Karl Urban fan club =D

 

[Amasov]

The moment Scotty appeared, something told me it was him before he even said a word.

I still love this show a ton. I really do, but, for crying out loud I wish they would stop with the legacy characters. This has been my only real complain about SNW.

Kirk has been in about 30% of the season and now Scotty's been (re)introduced. I'm starting to get that same feeling at the end of last season of Picard where it feels like they were just clearing the stage for the-then upcoming TNG reunion.

While they aren't removing anyone from this show and replacing them with a TOS character (unless Pelia doesn't remain past the first episode of next season), it feels like it's marching toward TOS much faster than it should.

And I wish they would stop with this.

 

[FreezeC77]

I know it's one of those things you're not supposed to think about, but it's funny that you'd create a cosplay society where you wouldn't have your own 23rd century doctor, but you'd go out of your way to ask the Federation for help. It feels like these are the type of people that would refuse to replicate a car, but would replicate all the parts needed to build a car because they're really pedantic and annoying.

And yeah, some articles have confirmed it's the same set as Reacher. I guess if they were like, close to the Yellowstone set, maybe they could have had an Old West planet after all. lol

Kinda feels like having a Vineyard, having machines and 'workers', but you actually press a button and poof the grapes are transported off the vine.

Are any people really necessary if you're being honest with yourself there Jean-Luc...

 

[Nerys Myk]

Nostalgia has very little to do with, small town living is a perfectly legitimate lifestyle, not everyone likes the city.

I live in a small town, well technically five miles outside of a small town. I rather like it.
The colony seems to deliberately invoke the architecture and style of a particular time period. That seems like nostalgia to me. They didn't build a 23rd Century small town.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Scotty once told Picard that the Enterprise was his first ship as Chief Engineer, so I'm curious if that happens in season 3. I think the current engineer is all right, but I wouldn't mind seeing her replaced.

A lieutenant jg seems to be a bit low on the rank scale to be Chief Engineer of the Enterprise. (After all this isn't the 24th Century. )

 

[valkyrie013]

To be continued? Son of a.. =!/%!:÷!!
Said it should be 2 hours .. Got my wish.. So
rt of..

And Scotty! Played by an actual SCOTT! Bout time.. And he done a pretty good job as well.
But on that.. Some website cough (POLYGON) cough.. Spoiled the crap out of Scotty appearing with his name IN THE ÷#;#:% Headline..

And what's with the poo pooing on a small town colony? Its 5000 people? Your expecting Toronto? And it's not like there space Amish.. They have technology, and contact with the federation.. Not like there The Village.. Sheesh.. You cityfolks couldn't do a days work out on a farm anyways..

And it's not "Nostalgia" it's daily life for over millions of people y'all..

Either way.. Good episode.

 

[Amaris]

The moment Scotty appeared, something told me it was him before he even said a word.

I still love this show a ton. I really do, but, for crying out loud I wish they would stop with the legacy characters. This has been my only real complain about SNW.

Kirk has been in about 30% of the season and now Scotty's been (re)introduced. I'm starting to get that same feeling at the end of last season of Picard where it feels like they were just clearing the stage for the-then upcoming TNG reunion.

While they aren't removing anyone from this show and replacing them with a TOS character (unless Pelia doesn't remain past the first episode of next season), it feels like it's marching toward TOS much faster than it should.

And I wish they would stop with this.

We're a handful of years away from Pike and the beep-beep chair. You're going to start seeing familiar faces appear, especially of people who were on the Enterprise by the time of Kirk's captaincy.

There's only going to be more of them.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Hell, there was an early 22nd century Earth colony that not only intermarried but one half of the colony splintered off to spawn future generations through cloning. Which in today's Trek would be pointed out as illegal under both Earth and Federation law but when that episode was produced in 1988 the whole cloning and genetic engineering thing was more of a social taboo and potential danger than outright illicit.

Humans but not Federation Citizens, so Federation Law does not apply.

Riker murdered his own clone and no one cared.

Picard then tricked all the aliens into replace cloning with polygamy, since duplication degradation was trashing their health, refiguring their upside morals into Federation Standard.

 

[UssGlenn]

I live in a small town, well technically five miles outside of a small town. I rather like it.
The colony seems to deliberately invoke the architecture and style of a particular time period. That seems like nostalgia to me. They didn't build a 23rd Century small town.

Ah, I see where you are coming from. I will point out, however, that while major cities were destroyed in WWIII, I expect small towns to be largely unchanged. No one is building a glass skyscraper in Mudville Indiana.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Deserts get cold at night / The climate was arid but not hot / The Metrons changed the environment.

Antarctica is a desert.

I know it's one of those things you're not supposed to think about, but it's funny that you'd create a cosplay society where you wouldn't have your own 23rd century doctor, but you'd go out of your way to ask the Federation for help. It feels like these are the type of people that would refuse to replicate a car, but would replicate all the parts needed to build a car because they're really pedantic and annoying.

Who's to say they didn't have a doctor? Maybe the doctor is the one who put the call in to Starfleet. This wouldn't be the first colony in Star Trek to get a vaccine shipment via Starfleet.