This is the best answerBut this was in the context of an ongoing situation in which (from her perspective), Spock keeps prioritizing the Enterprise and Starfleet over their relationship. So that in this instance, when he again turns to his crew members instead of her, it was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back. (Do they have camels on Vulcan?)
And that, yes, it was Chapel who rushed in to heal Spock at the end, interrupting the ceremony, was adding insult to injury. Let's give T'Pring credit for not being completely oblivious to the fact that Spock and Chapel have some sort of unspoken connection . . . or at least having reason to harbor suspicions along those lines.
"Seriously? You again?"
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Sarek must have went into pon farr at some point after 2293 and thus the age of 128 since Amanda was still alive at the time of TUC but he was married to Perrin by 2366.
It's kind of rough seeing Spock called dishonorable on here. T'Pring told him she wants a break. That's "no means no", and Spock respected that. Chapel says she has feelings for him, "yes means yes" and Spock went with that.
In a world where we have evil criminals who can't even follow those basic steps, it's shocking to me that when Spock follows them he's still criticized. He's not even married to T'Pring!
In a world where we have evil criminals who can't even follow those basic steps, it's shocking to me that when Spock follows them he's still criticized. He's not even married to T'Pring!
I see no reason to think T'Pol had not experienced pon farr previous to ENT S2.
Also, I see no reason to talk about the disgustingly misogynistic trash that was the "T'Pol goes into heat" episode.
"The Spock Within."
Agreed. Also, the idea that Vulcans would have the same value system around their relationships as contemporary Americans seems... implausible at best. If Vulcans are truly dedicated to logic, surely it is more rational to explore alternate relationships during an agreed-upon "pause" in order to obtain more data upon which to make a long-term decision?
They reminded me of the bureaucrat aliens in Hitchhiker's Guide
He did get pon farr on Genesis as a late teen or early twen though
[Una] Shall we do a little education? [/Una] This has nothing to do with the biological term as used in the episode. Hybrids are from different species, not ethnicities, as you seem to say yourself. Look at the link in this post that you apparently missed to "*ing educate yourself" as you put it:
That was Paris, IIRC
That's not being in a "submissive" position. That's him getting his comeuppance after abusing his institutional authority.
... to whom was he submissive, pray tell? Sounds to me like you just don't like a situation where a male character doesn't have more power than women.
... have you actually seen Dude, Where's My Car? or That '70s Show?
I would watch the shit out of that spinoff.
Americans tend to embrace heritage, even if they are as you say naturally born. It's not utterly irrelevant to them. They use terms like African-American and Asian-American for that reason. Those terms do have some issues, but they are the terms they use commonly and shouldn't be taken offensively.
And let's not forget that "Amok Time" was literally the very first episode in which we saw any Vulcan other than Spock, and that T'Pring is literally the first full Vulcan ever shown on STAR TREK.
So literally the very first full Vulcan on any STAR TREK series was a cold, calculating schemer who plotted to get either Kirk or Spock killed in order to escape an arranged marriage. Not exactly a good first impression!
Not sure how people got the idea that Vulcans are always noble paragons of reasons. That's certainly not how they were portrayed in "Amok Time," back in the day. Even T'Pau comes off as very high-handed and imperious and scornful of humans.
And yet somehow ENTERPRISE gets scolded for portraying Vulcans in a negative light? Decades after "Amok Time"?
It almost seens like everyone is talking about a WB romance show then Star Trek. Lol
It is offensive. In context, saying that Chloe Bennett is "half Chinese, half American" is equating Americanness with whiteness.
So the 'Awareness ritual' is basically the 'Airing of grievances' in Festivus? And T'Pring's parents are basically Vulcan Frank and Estelle Costanza.
Interesting they're doing all these episodes about Spock's marriage to T'Pring when we know it ends in a plot to force Spock to kill Kirk.
Interesting they're doing all these episodes about Spock's marriage to T'Pring when we know it ends in a plot to force Spock to kill Kirk.
Vulcans were underhanded and brutal 34 years before Ambassador Soval or the Vulcan High Command were ever things. We like to think they're the most level-headed and ethical species of all the founders of the Federation but even TOS showed us that, nope, they at best tried and at worst just put on a good P.R. show for the rest of the galaxy.
That's a different issue.
The way they said his 'instructions were written wrong', I took that to mean that Chapel presented a complete human genome while Spock's was mixed, so they figured that Chapel's was 'correct' and fixed Spock so that he had a complete human genome as well, while the 'incorrect' Vulcan instructions (DNA) were removed.
Yes. Spock may be aspirational in some ways but saying all Vulcans must be that too?
No. They use ritual, tradition and culture as well. They are students of logic but even logic can be faulty.
In fairness, post-SNW, I'm tempted to reinterpret T'Pring's motivations in "Amok Time" to make her less murderous.
"You really told him you were plotting to either get him killed or to kill his best friend?"
"Yes."
"Why would you do that?"
"I know the kind of people who serve in Starfleet. I knew that Spock was never in any real danger; I knew Spock's crewmates would come up with a way to keep his captain alive; and I knew the shock of believing his best friend dead would finally sever the last remnants of the ties that once bound us. And I had no other option to terminate the engagement under traditional Vulcan law."
The illusory recreation of Surak in "The Savage Curtain" may have been the most ethical Vulcan we saw in TOS who wasn't Spock and he wasn't even real.
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