Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"

[TerryTrek]

feeling so much Friends call back, but I do wish this show had more characters that was even to the girls.. when spock joined the ladies at the girl night out, I realised that there were 4 girls and 1 guy ,which is almost the near average ratio of male and female characters since the show has only 3 guys (Pike, Mnegba, Spock) to 6 girls (Peelia, Una, Laan, Ortega, Uhura, Chapel) with the ensemble cast.

I think spock like in the Friends world, may have benefited if he had more guy pals in SNW. perhaps get a male perspective advice on his relationship like ross had with chandler and joey.

I like feminist comedy but if you go that route and make it good you need more male characters pull it off,

I don't mind the men/women ratio. This is a different reality than TOS, so it doesn't have to be the TOS boys club.
I just don't care for some characters being intentionally underwritten or made to look like fools, to elevate other certain characters up. Takes me out of the episode.

Probably why I consider "No Way Scenario" as the best episode of Nu Trek. All the made players (Picard, Riker, Seven, Beverly, Jack, and Shaw) all had something significant to contribute to saving the ship and had their moment. Perfectly balanced.

I do not give you permission to speak this way little man. I have agency and many upper hands.

Aight Grandma, thanks for that.

Aww. Feminist focused stories.

That's why I said it didn't work for me. Great if you're into that. Not my preference.

1) It was already established in TOS "Amok Time" that female Vulcan elders have a great deal of authority over things like marriages. I am under the impression that Leonard Nimoy, Theodore Sturgeon, and/or D.C. Fontana intended to imply that Vulcan is a matriarchy. Either way, T'Pring's mother being a dominant force in their family is fully consistent with what we have previously seen of Vulcan family and marriage dynamics.

2) The only male character placed in any sort of "submissive" position was T'Pring's father. The Vulcan who interviewed Christine was in no way in a submissive position, and neither was Spock.
Nothing about Spock in DIS or SNW is in any way akin to Ashton Kutcher

The interviewer was, by the end of it when he wanted more out of Christine and got shut down. Nu Spock was totally in a submissive position due to his situation. It's fine, it works for Ethan's silly version of the character. I definitely got Ashton Kutcher vibes in the way that Ethan played it. Very..Dude, where's my Katra.

 

[Captain Jollydark]

Aight Grandma, thanks for that.

Oh honey, I am a grandma - a FEMINIST grandma.

 

[Noname Given]

Kind of off-topic but has it ever been established that M'Benga knows about pon farr? TOS treated it as this secretive thing that even Dr. McCoy didn't know about, yet at the same time M'Benga as far back as his introduction in TOS was established with a Vulcan background and an expert on treating Vulcans. You think if M'Benga were offscreen in Amok Time he'd have explained everything to McCoy early on.

Even Spock said: "It is a thing no Outworlder may know...except those few who've been involved."

So yeah, it's POSSIBLE M'Benga may know, but no, nothing's been stated explicitly one way or the other in the character's two TOS appearances or in SNW as yet.

 

[Nyotarules]

Chapel aside, Spock's also veering into canon breaking territory in his characterization. He's a full on human lover in the episode's ending, chewing out T'Pril for saying a human couldn't have done the ceremony. But come TOS he's saying stuff like, "Ah yes, one of your Earth emotions".

Because people never change .....

 

[flandry84]

Dreadful episode.
The in-laws are coming to dinner and oopsie-daisie,hilarity ensues.
Star Trek?Or the Dick Van Dyke show?
A season and a half in and nothing this show has produced comes within a mile of any ‘all time best Trek episode’ list.

 

[Amaris]

Because people never change .....

I always felt in the original series that Spock was often taking the piss, especially when it came to Kirk or McCoy. Spock was very emotional, look how he barbed with McCoy (as old friends would), and he clearly loved Jim. You can see his deep admiration for Uhura, his respect for Scotty's engineering skill, and so on.

Spock was very emotional in TOS, I think his humor was just that dry.

 

[Yistaan]

Or the Dick Van Dyke show?

Spock and Chapel can headline a sitcom set during the movie period.

 

[Donald G]

9/10 While I wasn't LoL through the whole episode, there were some funny scenes with human Spock and T'Pring's dad, though I found him to a bit too emotional for a full-blooded Vulcan married to a bigoted Vulcan woman. There were also some touching scenes with Amanda Grayson and Chapel. My only thought about the ending is how this relationship is doomed to failure considering TOS.

It would have been great if they tried to use the Mego helmet.

Blame Remco Toys for the helmet, not Mego. It was not part of the Mego line.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

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The boys at TrekYards liked this episode as well.

Also wasn't T'Pol like 60 something in Enterprise? How did she relieve past pon farrs?

60 y/o would be fairly young for a Vulcan.

60/200 years = 30% of their average LifeSpan.

30% of Average Current-Day Humans = 22.5 y/o.

 

[Yistaan]

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60 y/o would be fairly young for a Vulcan.

60/200 years = 30% of their average LifeSpan.

30% of Average Current-Day Humans = 22.5 y/o.

Spock says "I hoped I would be spared this" seemingly implying that his pon farr at 37 was already late. Others are insisting here that T'Pring (and I also checked Memory Alpha, she's canonically 37 at Amok Time) was also going through pon farr at amok time. Meaning that 20s-30s seems to be the normal range for first pon farr

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Spock says "I hoped I would be spared this" seemingly implying that his pon farr at 37 was already late. Others are insisting here that T'Pring (and I also checked Memory Alpha, she's canonically 37 at Amok Time) was also going through pon farr at amok time. Meaning that 20s-30s seems to be the normal range for first pon farr

Pon Farr seems similar to when a Animal goes in Heat.

 

[valkyrie013]

Yet in ST3, Spock goes through Pon Farr as a teenager. Now maybe this is because Genisis is screwing up his system and instead of 30's he's teens when it happens.

 

[ashleytinger]

Every 7 years of an adult Vulcan's life...

 

[JoseNoodles]

Blame Remco Toys for the helmet, not Mego. It was not part of the Mego line.

According to Memory Alpha, it was made by the Enco Industries. A TrekCore blog post claims it was made by AHI.

 

[Mudd]

Dreadful episode.
The in-laws are coming to dinner and oopsie-daisie,hilarity ensues.
Star Trek?Or the Dick Van Dyke show?
A season and a half in and nothing this show has produced comes within a mile of any ‘all time best Trek episode’ list.

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[cooleddie74]

I get that SNW isn't every Trekkie's cup of Vulcan tea but damn, "dreadful"? I was legimitately entertained by the dumb, in-your-face fanwank of PIC Season 3 and this week's SNW is better than almost any of the 10 episodes from that other series.

To each their own but...damn.

 

[Yistaan]

dumb, in-your-face fanwank of PIC Season 3

People here may remember I was among Picard Season 3's harshest critics. And a lot of my criticism still stands. But after watching 4 episodes of Marvel's Secret Invasion that covers the same themes (aging hotshot finds himself obsolete, alien impostor story) in the dullest and dreariest way possible, suddenly Picard Season 3 doesn't seem so bad anymore.

 

[El Maestro]

It was very Lower Decks. Feminist comedy. The women having all the agency, authority and the upper hand. The men played for laughs or placed in submissive positions (Spock, Pike, the Husband Vulcan; Zhaban 2.0,the Vulcan interviewer).

I am simultaneously trying to imagine and am in awe of the mental contortions required to arrive at this reading of the episode.

 

[Discovery McDiscoveryFace]

Why?
.

My father was a human from the UK. My mother was a human from Asia. I am mixed race and a human. My mother was not a different species. I am not half-human. - hybrid. That is ****ing why. Educate yourself.

 

[cooleddie74]

That's "reading"?